N2264J

What are you trying to say?

You link to a study that has nothing to do with my point about the necessity of government intervention to keep our food and water safe and was, in all likelihood, funded by a government grant.

jungle

Right, we would all just die if gov didn't allow us to live.

TV is rife with ads begging people to sue any company for dangerous meds allowed by the FDA.

How long would a company last in a sue happy society producing dangerous products?

In many ways, gov has overseen the production of some of the most dangerous products on the planet and they are the only market for those products.

The concept that gov can do no wrong is made false every day. Many still believe this lie but they haven't looked very hard for the truth.

The reason we are even having this little chat is that gov has put us in a very deep hole because they have never been held accountable for their actions, spending has limits. We have limits. Nature and economies have laws people can't change.

People aren't perfect, gov is made of people. People who are never held accountable are not only less than perfect, they are dangerous.

Magpuller

Great, more airports that some of us will have to fly 121 ops into with no tower...

Am I alone on this..or does anyone else think 121 ops should not be authorized at uncontrolled fields? Nothing gets more crazy then a bunch of dinks in the pattern not using proper position announcements or just using any runway regardless of wind.

I know student pilots need exposure to different things such as tailwind/x-wind landings but to me this a safety issue. I've had to hit the TOGA buttons more than once due to a Cessna..

FDXLAG

Low information voter 101:

Confusing Question of the Day - Obama Pardons The Sequester - YouTube


Or alternatively, why we are doomed and should let it burn.

NTT5418

Ahhh...the average uninformed American voter. Take it with a grain of salt though, it is Hollywood Blvd.

Winged Wheeler

All I am saying is that, in my opinion, people are resourceful enough to solve most problems without help from the government. Generally, these solutions will be more efficient and more effective than solutions imposed by the state.

There are a limited number of places where the market fails and we do, and should, have government oversight of these areas. The trick is to find the sweet spot.

There are alternatives to FAA control towers and to USDA meat inspectors (and so on)--cheaper, more efficient, more effective.

I interpreted your post as saying something like "the government will prevent us from getting e coli". I posted the link to that study to show an instance where the government oversight (city government, not federal) was contributing in a very specific way, to a spike in e coli illness.

We aren't going to agree on this so this is all I will say: we can cut those towers, and those inspectors, and whatever else, and we will figure out how to go on without them.

WW

galaxy flyer

Does a VFR tower really make that much difference other than delivering clearances without delay? They don't really "control" traffic, just establish sequences, pilots still fly their plane, identify the traffic and keep spacing.

Airliners and heavy military traffic have been operating out of uncontrolled airports for decades without any noticeable decrement in safety. Just apply your own spacing, make the calls, if needed, try another approach. Heck, it large parts of Canada, airlines operate in Class G. I've operated in the western Pacific islands, #4 to land with 3 FAR 121 planes, sans ATC.

GF

Red Forman

These people vote, that's scary.

Yoda2

Many 121 flights already operate from "uncontrolled" fields. All you need is security and for the fire Dept. to show up. I'd be just as or more concerned with folks busting the void time clearances this is sure to generate, if it happens. Other than that, like Galaxy flier was inferring, brush up on the non tower Ops. and remember not all those aircraft will even have a radio... BTW, I have had just as many near misses or high pucker factor in class D airspace as non towered.

NTT5418

In some of the airports with a large population of student traffic going in and out all day, I think it would be quite a big deal. If anything, it would take a while for the programs to adjust. Coming from a large flight training program at an airport with intersecting runways, I can tell you we had our share of problems with runway incursions, and we have a tower...I can only imagine what it would be like when new students not 100% comfortable with the radios or area yet go up solo. ...yikes

To answer your question, yes I think it can be done safely with more emphasis put on non-towered operations, but I do think prior use of atc was quite helpful and added an extra layer of safety . But, like yoda said previously, I have also had just as many incidents at towered as at non-towered.

btw...I heard through the grapevine that if it were to happen, we would put atc students up in the tower for "traffic advisories"...not sure how I feel about that