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Old 08-08-2012, 08:54 AM
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Which private industry is funding Mars exploration?

Or is the basis of your remark about economics courses
that corporations pay taxes too and thereby are responsible
for some of the funding? Is that what you're trying to say?

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Corporations dont pay taxes they simply collect them from their customers and pass them on to the government who funds their competitors (who if they contribute to the right politico do not pay taxes). See GE and "Big Oil".
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:04 AM
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N2264J, I invite you to look around your home or place of work and find a single thing inscribed "made by the government of the USA", if you can find such a thing please share it with us, we would all love to see it.
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:21 AM
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OK, now tell us where the funding comes from, while you are at it you can tell us why only a few countries can afford any space program. Can you tell us which companies actually built the vehicles used in our space program, here is a clue-they were neither built nor conceived in government workshops.
Are you being cryptic and obtuse because you can't answer the question:
Which private industry is helping to fund Mars exploration?

My understanding it that the companies building the equipment are being
contracted by the government. They aren't using their own money. NASA
is government jobs program.
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
Are you being cryptic and obtuse because you can't answer the question:
Which private industry is helping to fund Mars exploration?

My understanding it that the companies building the equipment are being
contracted by the government. They aren't using their own money. NASA
is government jobs program.
I'll make it easy for you: Where does government funding come from, who actually pays for it?

I am sure a sharp guy like you knows the answer to this very simple question.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:12 AM
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N2264J, I invite you to look around your home or place of work and find a single thing inscribed "made by the government of the USA", if you can find such a thing please share it with us, we would all love to see it.
The internet.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:27 AM
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The internet.
That is it? A common myth, unfortunately history does not support it, and I have never seen any gov produced hardware or software outside NSA or other special applications.

The internet had many fathers: History of the Internet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would you have us believe they also produced the telegraph, telephone and teletype?
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That is it?
You asked for a single example.

The federal government, through the operation of government-owned research facilities, research grants to universities and procurement contracts with private industry, funds almost 50% of the national R&D effort. Because of this enormous funding, the federal government has the most United States patent rights. It is estimated that the government has title to over 30,000 patents and annually files several thousand new applications...
The Federal Funding of R&D: Who Gets the Patent Rights?

A common myth, unfortunately history does not support it...
Whenever your article refers to ARPANET or DARPA, it's talking about the government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

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Old 08-09-2012, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
It is a shame they can't generate any income on their own and it is telling that your single example is a fiction.

Does anyone subscribe to the fictional government internet service-anyone own a government server, router, modem or computer? Did they actually build a cable system? Inquiring minds want to know.

They do however continue to dump billions every year into snailmail, even with private sector help they can't make that work.
Think about that for a minute- a monopoly that can't even support itself but instead runs billions in the red every year.

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Old 08-10-2012, 08:17 AM
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Does anyone subscribe to the fictional government internet service-anyone own a government server, router, modem or computer?
Calling in backup? Shouting me down isn't going to change reality and misstating what
I've said is indicative of losing the argument.

This is from the Wikipedia entry you linked:

Commercial internet service providers (ISPs) began to emerge in the late 1980s and 1990s. The ARPANET [Department of Defense] was decommissioned in 1990. The Internet was commercialized in 1995 when NSFNET was decommissioned, removing the last restrictions on the use of the Internet to carry commercial traffic.
As a young congressman from Tennessee, Al Gore was responsible for legislation that facilitated the development of the internet in addition to funneling tax payer dollars to the new enterprise. By the way, contrary to popular belief, Gore never claimed to "invent" the internet but he was instrumental in its creation.

They do however continue to dump billions every year into snailmail, even with private sector help they can't make that work. Think about that for a minute- a monopoly that can't even support itself but instead runs billions in the red every year.
No taxpayer money goes to fund the Post Office. None. The fiscal problem with the postal service started in 2006 when corporatists in congress mandated that the Post Office fund retirement benefits for postal workers for 75 years within the next 10 years. In other words, put benefits away for employees who aren't even born yet. As a result, the Post Office starts out $5 billion in the hole every year.

Of course, their agenda is to kill the Post Office so they can throw some more business to their Wall Street sugar daddies. It's ironic behavior from congressmen who claim the Constitution is tantamount to the word of God because every little backwater Post Office and the road to get there have a constitutional mandate.

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Old 08-10-2012, 08:33 AM
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I love it when you lie:

Postal Service Registers $5.2 Billion Loss - WSJ.com
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