Do you believe in UFOs
07-10-2012, 04:36 AM
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Former astronaut, war hero, and US Senator John Glenn- ”Back in those glory days, I was very uncomfortable when they asked, you know, were you alone out there? We never gave the real answer, and yet we see things out there, strange things, but we know what we saw out there. And we couldn’t really say anything. The bosses were really afraid of this, they were afraid of the `War of the Worlds’ type stuff, and about panic in the streets. So, we had to keep quiet. And now we only see these things in our nightmares, or maybe in the movies, and some of them are pretty close to being the truth.”
07-10-2012, 04:47 AM
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You wish! 
I don't necessarily believe, but don't not believe either. As someone else said, way too many credible people claim to have seen things that can't be otherwise explained. Although, the cynic in me says some of these are government-sponsored objects they don't want us to know about.
Either way, I sometimes feel if there is intelligent life elsewhere AND they're superior to us, they'd have made their presence known to us by now.
I don't necessarily believe, but don't not believe either. As someone else said, way too many credible people claim to have seen things that can't be otherwise explained. Although, the cynic in me says some of these are government-sponsored objects they don't want us to know about.
Either way, I sometimes feel if there is intelligent life elsewhere AND they're superior to us, they'd have made their presence known to us by now.
07-10-2012, 06:57 AM
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From a logical perspective there is no reason to believe alien travelers would bother coming to this planet even if they had the means despite our fear and vanity desiring them to. However, the Drake Equation seems to indicate probability is high for there being both life on other planets, and advanced life on other planets, depending on how you weigh the variables in the equation. I like to watch the UFO TV shows as much as anyone does when I have the time and the liquor (kidding), but I seldom come away with anything besides the fact there appears to be small collection unresolved sky sightings in the history books. With all the human and physical variables in play in any given scenario there never is any reason to conclude any sighting was truly an alien object. Rather, they are interesting as curiosities of human experience.
07-10-2012, 07:40 AM
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From a logical perspective there is no reason to believe alien travelers would bother coming to this planet even if they had the means despite our fear and vanity desiring them to. However, the Drake Equation seems to indicate probability is high for there being both life on other planets, and advanced life on other planets, depending on how you weigh the variables in the equation. I like to watch the UFO TV shows as much as anyone does when I have the time and the liquor (kidding), but I seldom come away with anything besides the fact there appears to be small collection unresolved sky sightings in the history books. With all the human and physical variables in play in any given scenario there never is any reason to conclude any sighting was truly an alien object. Rather, they are interesting as curiosities of human experience.
If they are smart enough to be able to to come here from somewhere else, they are smart enough not to get caught or observed. If they wanted to be observed they would just land on the white house lawn and tell us what they wanted.
It is entirely inconceivable that there would be accidental sightings, crashes, or captured aliens. If they can get here, they are much, much better than that. Well maybe if they just came from Mars, that could be amateur night I suppose.
07-10-2012, 09:10 AM
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07-10-2012, 09:40 AM
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07-10-2012, 10:16 AM
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Do I believe the mathematical odds that there must be life on other planets (not in our Solar system)? Yes.
Do I think they have visited here? No.
I used to think they might have visited in ancient times, but I realized that all creatures (of this Earth) always leave behind evidence of their existence. Dinosaurs: fossils. Wild animals: tracks, habitats/bouroughs, waste.
Humans: TRASH. The vast majority of archeological digs start with trash sites.
Unless intergalactic aliens are obsessive-compulsive about cleanliness, they would have almost certainly left some physical evidence behind (space-candy wrapper, space-pepsi bottle, space-beer, broken space-beer bottle, space-cigarette butts, broken space-ipad, etc).
Do I think they have visited here? No.
I used to think they might have visited in ancient times, but I realized that all creatures (of this Earth) always leave behind evidence of their existence. Dinosaurs: fossils. Wild animals: tracks, habitats/bouroughs, waste.
Humans: TRASH. The vast majority of archeological digs start with trash sites.
Unless intergalactic aliens are obsessive-compulsive about cleanliness, they would have almost certainly left some physical evidence behind (space-candy wrapper, space-pepsi bottle, space-beer, broken space-beer bottle, space-cigarette butts, broken space-ipad, etc).
Finally, I ask "What motivation?" If they were technologically advanced enough to get here, then why?
a. Resources? Then we would be enslaved, and it would be obvious while we worked in their salt-mines.
b. Friendship? Still waiting.
c. Research/observation? If we seemed as unintelligent to them as bugs do to us, do you ever say to yourself "Don't let the fire-ant mound see us; we just want to observe; with them unaware."
Even when trying to observe primates/dolphins, researchers can't truly conceal their presence.
a. Resources? Then we would be enslaved, and it would be obvious while we worked in their salt-mines.
b. Friendship? Still waiting.
c. Research/observation? If we seemed as unintelligent to them as bugs do to us, do you ever say to yourself "Don't let the fire-ant mound see us; we just want to observe; with them unaware."
Even when trying to observe primates/dolphins, researchers can't truly conceal their presence.
07-10-2012, 10:20 AM
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Maybe they are waiting for the *right time* - like the invention of WARP power! (Cue in Star Trek music here)
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