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01-22-2017, 11:54 PM
#8831
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Posts: 6,009
Friend of mine was personally told she wouldn't be hired because the owner needed a bachelor pilot due to pop up trips. He knew she had children. (He didn't have this requirement for his male pilots).
A different potential employer asked her if she was planing on having any more kids, worring about any potential maternity leave.
Another owner picked her up from a trip and pulled into a hotel parking lot, talking about sending her to school for typed equipment and asking her if he should go inside and "get a room". She resigned rather than having to work a job with that type of undertone.
True story
Sad part is, it's all pure jealousy. NO ONE is complaining regionals are hireing "under qualified" women FO's for $25 bucks an hour, because they're hiring everyone in sight. Everyone only identifies an "un-qualified" female at a major carrier which is a job they want for themselves.
A different potential employer asked her if she was planing on having any more kids, worring about any potential maternity leave.
Another owner picked her up from a trip and pulled into a hotel parking lot, talking about sending her to school for typed equipment and asking her if he should go inside and "get a room". She resigned rather than having to work a job with that type of undertone.
True story
Sad part is, it's all pure jealousy. NO ONE is complaining regionals are hireing "under qualified" women FO's for $25 bucks an hour, because they're hiring everyone in sight. Everyone only identifies an "un-qualified" female at a major carrier which is a job they want for themselves.
01-23-2017, 12:50 PM
#8834
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
I didn't because she's not, still slugging it out with every dude that gripes and b****es every time a woman is hired.
In fairness though, in my experance the most worthless people in protected hiring categories are the ones that benefit most, which is why they have such a stigma.
In fairness though, in my experance the most worthless people in protected hiring categories are the ones that benefit most, which is why they have such a stigma.
Last edited by Happyflyer; 01-23-2017 at 01:20 PM.
01-23-2017, 12:59 PM
#8835
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
I am glad we live in a county that is so reformed that you can't even believe reality.
It is all true, in fact the person who asked during an interview if she was planning on having any more kids was a women. She thought it was a valid question to protect her boss's, the owner's, interest in the money and time it takes to train and hire a pilot.
I've talked to fellow pilots and some have agreed small flight departments can't afford for a pilot to be on 12 weeks leave for babies. Somehow they can afford a million dollar airplane though.
I've asked some guys if they thought it would be fair if an employer asked them if they were planning of having kids, they said "well no" why " well because I am not a women" why does that matter, "because it's not my job to take care of the kids".
I forgot two more stories, they were never formal interviews so no one knows how they would have resulted anyways.
Cheif pilot knows likes her and has an opening, goes home and talks to his wife about it, and she says NO WAY, no female co-pilots, PERIOD. Guy calls and told her he fought with his wife for 3 hours, but lost, and cant use her.
Another story was similar except it was the aircraft owner's wife. She could be used for day trips only. Therefore would never be hired with full benefits, because they still had a need for multi day trips which his wife said, no way!
It is all true, in fact the person who asked during an interview if she was planning on having any more kids was a women. She thought it was a valid question to protect her boss's, the owner's, interest in the money and time it takes to train and hire a pilot.
I've talked to fellow pilots and some have agreed small flight departments can't afford for a pilot to be on 12 weeks leave for babies. Somehow they can afford a million dollar airplane though.
I've asked some guys if they thought it would be fair if an employer asked them if they were planning of having kids, they said "well no" why " well because I am not a women" why does that matter, "because it's not my job to take care of the kids".
I forgot two more stories, they were never formal interviews so no one knows how they would have resulted anyways.
Cheif pilot knows likes her and has an opening, goes home and talks to his wife about it, and she says NO WAY, no female co-pilots, PERIOD. Guy calls and told her he fought with his wife for 3 hours, but lost, and cant use her.
Another story was similar except it was the aircraft owner's wife. She could be used for day trips only. Therefore would never be hired with full benefits, because they still had a need for multi day trips which his wife said, no way!
Last edited by Happyflyer; 01-23-2017 at 01:23 PM.
01-23-2017, 05:02 PM
#8836
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 193
I am glad we live in a county that is so reformed that you can't even believe reality.
It is all true, in fact the person who asked during an interview if she was planning on having any more kids was a women. She thought it was a valid question to protect her boss's, the owner's, interest in the money and time it takes to train and hire a pilot.
I've talked to fellow pilots and some have agreed small flight departments can't afford for a pilot to be on 12 weeks leave for babies. Somehow they can afford a million dollar airplane though.
I've asked some guys if they thought it would be fair if an employer asked them if they were planning of having kids, they said "well no" why " well because I am not a women" why does that matter, "because it's not my job to take care of the kids".
I forgot two more stories, they were never formal interviews so no one knows how they would have resulted anyways.
Cheif pilot knows likes her and has an opening, goes home and talks to his wife about it, and she says NO WAY, no female co-pilots, PERIOD. Guy calls and told her he fought with his wife for 3 hours, but lost, and cant use her.
Another story was similar except it was the aircraft owner's wife. She could be used for day trips only. Therefore would never be hired with full benefits, because they still had a need for multi day trips which his wife said, no way!
It is all true, in fact the person who asked during an interview if she was planning on having any more kids was a women. She thought it was a valid question to protect her boss's, the owner's, interest in the money and time it takes to train and hire a pilot.
I've talked to fellow pilots and some have agreed small flight departments can't afford for a pilot to be on 12 weeks leave for babies. Somehow they can afford a million dollar airplane though.
I've asked some guys if they thought it would be fair if an employer asked them if they were planning of having kids, they said "well no" why " well because I am not a women" why does that matter, "because it's not my job to take care of the kids".
I forgot two more stories, they were never formal interviews so no one knows how they would have resulted anyways.
Cheif pilot knows likes her and has an opening, goes home and talks to his wife about it, and she says NO WAY, no female co-pilots, PERIOD. Guy calls and told her he fought with his wife for 3 hours, but lost, and cant use her.
Another story was similar except it was the aircraft owner's wife. She could be used for day trips only. Therefore would never be hired with full benefits, because they still had a need for multi day trips which his wife said, no way!
01-23-2017, 05:56 PM
#8837
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 443
I forgot two more stories, they were never formal interviews so no one knows how they would have resulted anyways.
Cheif pilot knows likes her and has an opening, goes home and talks to his wife about it, and she says NO WAY, no female co-pilots, PERIOD. Guy calls and told her he fought with his wife for 3 hours, but lost, and cant use her.
Another story was similar except it was the aircraft owner's wife. She could be used for day trips only. Therefore would never be hired with full benefits, because they still had a need for multi day trips which his wife said, no way!
01-23-2017, 06:03 PM
#8838
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
[QUOTE=PruneJuice;2287011]Reality or your "stories"?[/QUOTE
Reality,
I didn't realize they were so unbelievable.
Top three reasons:
1) The Cheap Wad, thinks it to expensive to hire a contract pilot while his is on maternity leave, and pay short term disability, plus she could drag up after the first kid and be a stay at home mom. Also reliability, if I call at 10pm for a 6am pop up trip, she might not be able to get the kids covered.
2) The Super Duper Christian, thinks the mom is the cornerstone of a wholesome family and she will thank me one day for not hiring her when her kids grow up and aren't on drugs. "We are on the road way to much to try and raise a family". Also can be old fashion think mixed crews are "inappropriate" in general.
3) The Jealous Wife, guy thinks he doesn't need to prove to himself he's not a sexist by hiring a female. He knows he's not, and certainly isn't going to backstab his wife buy hiring a mid 20's/30's female just to prove he can resist temptation, or isn't a sexist.
None of these people think they are discriminating against women, we were taught discrimination is from hatred or malice in your heart, which they have none.
You must be in a union shop and have been for a very long time to be so far removed from reality. Your horizons have now been expanded.
Just FYI, I do think that every woman that's jumps up and says they failed some training, or wasn't hired for LCA or chief pilot because they are female is lying and in denial of their own shortcomings.
The real discrimination situations don't have lawsuits, grievances, or arbitrations, those women just take there licks and keep moving on. There is really nothing they can do about it, and the offenders don't feel like they did anything wrong because the reasoning is reasonable and logical.
Reality,
I didn't realize they were so unbelievable.
Top three reasons:
1) The Cheap Wad, thinks it to expensive to hire a contract pilot while his is on maternity leave, and pay short term disability, plus she could drag up after the first kid and be a stay at home mom. Also reliability, if I call at 10pm for a 6am pop up trip, she might not be able to get the kids covered.
2) The Super Duper Christian, thinks the mom is the cornerstone of a wholesome family and she will thank me one day for not hiring her when her kids grow up and aren't on drugs. "We are on the road way to much to try and raise a family". Also can be old fashion think mixed crews are "inappropriate" in general.
3) The Jealous Wife, guy thinks he doesn't need to prove to himself he's not a sexist by hiring a female. He knows he's not, and certainly isn't going to backstab his wife buy hiring a mid 20's/30's female just to prove he can resist temptation, or isn't a sexist.
None of these people think they are discriminating against women, we were taught discrimination is from hatred or malice in your heart, which they have none.
You must be in a union shop and have been for a very long time to be so far removed from reality. Your horizons have now been expanded.
Just FYI, I do think that every woman that's jumps up and says they failed some training, or wasn't hired for LCA or chief pilot because they are female is lying and in denial of their own shortcomings.
The real discrimination situations don't have lawsuits, grievances, or arbitrations, those women just take there licks and keep moving on. There is really nothing they can do about it, and the offenders don't feel like they did anything wrong because the reasoning is reasonable and logical.
Last edited by Happyflyer; 01-23-2017 at 06:27 PM.
01-25-2017, 08:55 AM
#8839
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,406
MOD INPUT: OK, I think we've beat affirmative action to death here. As toolish as it may be, let's move on to other more entertaining tools. This thread is not fun right now.
Thanks.
Thanks.
01-25-2017, 09:03 AM
#8840
Production Test Pilot
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Production Test Pilot, Boeing
Posts: 111
I nominate Sir Tim Clark for doing this:
Statement from the Partnership for Open & Fair Skies on Emirates? Route to Newark - Partnership for Open and Fair Skies » Partnership for Open and Fair Skies
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