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Originally Posted by saxman66
(Post 1307893)
I was a fairly new FO and at the beginning of a 4 day, my CA briefs on APU starting after we land at each station. In other words, which station to start the APU and which ones to not. Well there's no way remember any of this, so on 1st landing I simply ask him again if he wants the APU on. Again I'm new and have no idea who has ground power and who doesn't. So he turns to me and asks "Do you remember the briefing I gave you about that?"
"Umm no, I got everything mixed up." So he huffs and reminds me that CVG is a no APU station. Got it!. |
Originally Posted by Cruise Check
(Post 1307913)
Geez... EVERYONE knows CVG is a no-APU station!
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CVG is a station?
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1308149)
CVG is a station?
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Originally Posted by saxman66
(Post 1307893)
This was 5 years ago and I've learned not to take crap like that anymore. |
Originally Posted by CriticalMach
(Post 1308205)
Million dollar line!!! These capi's forget real fast that they were once the FO. Unfortunately, many are unaware of their own behavior while living in their own dream land thinking every one wants to fly with them. Alas, reality is beyond their imagination. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1308238)
Karma likes to play too, when they go on to a mainline and try to play the game their way. Nothing more amusing than sitting on a JS and watching one get regulated.
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1307547)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh the N v S headset thingie!! I love it!!
Back pre-merger it was just backwards from what you described. We had the nice Telex sets and just a very small percentage had their own headsets.........mostly guys with real high end noise cancel thingies. Soooooooo the we always complained about the guys who never plugged the ship headset back in. Also, there was no standard place to store the headset so you had to hunt for it. Now the merger comes along and we get the POS DCs. Yes........EVEN I went out and purchased a headset. Then I would complain about those guys who cant store the DCs. Come to the Airbus, nice Telex and very few guys use their own (have to buy a $50something adapter) and become "that guy who doesn't plug the ship headset back in":D |
Originally Posted by saxman66
(Post 1307893)
I was a fairly new FO and at the beginning of a 4 day, my CA briefs on APU starting after we land at each station. In other words, which station to start the APU and which ones to not. Well there's no way remember any of this, so on 1st landing I simply ask him again if he wants the APU on. Again I'm new and have no idea who has ground power and who doesn't. So he turns to me and asks "Do you remember the briefing I gave you about that?"
"Umm no, I got everything mixed up." So he huffs and reminds me that CVG is a no APU station. Got it! Later in the trip we land in ATL. This is my first time in ATL as a pilot, ever! I called in our on and in times (no ACARS) and he yells at me for calling :33 instead of :36. "Umm I didn't hear you say a thing to me about the times." "Well I told you about 2 minutes ago. Aren't you listening?" A few minutes later, I'm getting the clearance for our next leg. I was very careful to read the notes on the Jepps about how you only tell clearance your ramp and only read back the Squawk code. Well I slip up slightly but it was no big deal with ATC. The controller was very nice about it. Well then Mr. Toolbag asks me which runway he gave us... "Umm, I have no idea" What airport gives us a runway in the clearance, I'm thinking? Again, I've never been to ATL. The guy didn't give a runway. "He told you it was 8L." So then he's had enough of me and lectures me about how I don't listen to anything. His briefings, how I should have read the Jepp pages on how to get the clearance in ATL. I was almost shaking at this point. This was 5 years ago and I've learned not to take crap like that anymore. |
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1308238)
Karma likes to play too, when they go on to a mainline and try to play the game their way. Nothing more amusing than sitting on a JS and watching one get regulated.
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Every new-hire group should have a special class where they teach how do deal with d-bag Captains, because the intimidation factor for new guys is through the roof. They tend to meekly submit to abuse because they don't know that standing up for one's self in certain situations is acceptable.
There are obvious differences between PIC decisions (CA is right unless safety of flight is involved) and just plain abuse. When I was probation, we were once taking vectors to final. CA is hand flying. ATC says "Turn left heading 260." The CA reaches up and spins the heading bug (which is not procedure, BTW) and misses 260 by about 8 degrees. I reach up to set 260, and the dude smacks my hand, says "don't touch that!". There was no weather, he wasn't dodging a cumulus. I sat there and took it like a sheep. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1308238)
Karma likes to play too, when they go on to a mainline and try to play the game their way. Nothing more amusing than sitting on a JS and watching one get regulated.
I think doucheness is a personality trait, and so deeply engrained that a brief sentence as a FO won't cure the itch, just make them more agressive. Just look at some of the super-senior guys you might fly with. The real young guys that were quick upgrades can be either apreciative of their good fortune, or total entitled pricks that feel no pain but their own. Either way, their fast advancement becomes a personality mutliplier. This is where the length of the mainline FO position becomes critical. You can only fight your own nature so long. I assume this is why we at Delta like to not upgrade right now. By the time you finally get there, you're a super nice guy (or you just snapped, or you dropped from a coronary event in your tenth year). At upgrade, I assume you're so worn out you don't even have the energy to be an [deleted] anymore. Throw in a little furlough for character development... Say, I must be one hell of a nice guy!:) |
It's too bad we lost the Flight Engineer seat, it was a great place to watch and learn, low threat, and you had the F/O there to act as a buffer, to the Dbag Capts.
If the guy was a real tool, you could conspire with the F/O to punk him at some point in the trip, and you could always blame the sudden fart odors on the other guy. But with only two pilots, you both know who did it, immediately! |
No you don't.
Wasn't me. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1308642)
No you don't.
Wasn't me. |
Speaking of which, long time ago I'm in the right seat of a 757, going BOS-FLL or such. About half way there one of the F/A's asks to come up front for a short break. "Sure, come on up."
So she's up there for about 5 minutes, we are pointing out the coastline, other airplanes, the magenta line, etc. and she leaves. About 30 seconds later...it's starts to stink, and I don't mean just a little, but a huge stink! Something your 12yr. old son would be proud of in a "Pull my finger" prank. I look at the Capt. and say, "Jeesus, what did you EAT last night??!" And he looks at me and says, "I thought it was YOU!" Then the light bulb came on....we had been "Crop Dusted" by the F/A!! They are soooo sneaky! The funniest part was, she was a teeny, tiny girl, could not have weighed a hundred pounds. We never expected such a big stink could come out of that little girl, but there it was! And it wasn't MINE! I Swear! |
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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1308673)
Speaking of which, long time ago I'm in the right seat of a 757, going BOS-FLL or such. About half way there one of the F/A's asks to come up front for a short break. "Sure, come on up."
So she's up there for about 5 minutes, we are pointing out the coastline, other airplanes, the magenta line, etc. and she leaves. About 30 seconds later...it's starts to stink, and I don't mean just a little, but a huge stink! Something your 12yr. old son would be proud of in a "Pull my finger" prank. I look at the Capt. and say, "Jeesus, what did you EAT last night??!" And he looks at me and says, "I thought it was YOU!" Then the light bulb came on....we had been "Crop Dusted" by the F/A!! They are soooo sneaky! The funniest part was, she was a teeny, tiny girl, could not have weighed a hundred pounds. We never expected such a big stink could come out of that little girl, but there it was! And it wasn't MINE! I Swear! |
Gatta watch out for those barking spiders.
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Originally Posted by Senior Skipper
(Post 1308318)
Those are probably the lifers whose ego prevents them from moving up because they'd have to be FO's again.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1308617)
They sweat a while, but some of them take it real well, for a while. They take on the role of the subservient FO, which is just winding the douche-bag Captain spring inside. Beware of the FO that's sweating profusely with a weird nasty grin isntead of a smile.
I think doucheness is a personality trait, and so deeply engrained that a brief sentence as a FO won't cure the itch, just make them more agressive. Just look at some of the super-senior guys you might fly with. The real young guys that were quick upgrades can be either apreciative of their good fortune, or total entitled pricks that feel no pain but their own. Either way, their fast advancement becomes a personality mutliplier. This is where the length of the mainline FO position becomes critical. You can only fight your own nature so long. I assume this is why we at Delta like to not upgrade right now. By the time you finally get there, you're a super nice guy (or you just snapped, or you dropped from a coronary event in your tenth year). At upgrade, I assume you're so worn out you don't even have the energy to be an [deleted] anymore. Throw in a little furlough for character development... Say, I must be one hell of a nice guy!:) |
Originally Posted by LNL76
(Post 1308680)
Oh, silly boy----everyone knows girls don't fart! :)
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Airline Captains, toolbox or not, are in that seat because their seniority can hold it. Nothing else! Some guys just need to check their egos at the door.
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(Notwithstanding a few rogue captains out there):
Airline FO's, like captains, need to embrace their place in the world, and when the left seat becomes available, bid it. Until then, ***** and moan all you want, but its better to find out what your left seat pilots' weakness is (i.e. boating, surfing, fishing, skiing, etc) and exploit it. You'll get a smoother trip if you suck it up just a bit during the first flight and make some headway with some thoughtful inquiries about who your flying with during cruise. You never know, you might be free-lancing the airplane and hoisting up cold ones at the bar later (his tab) before you know it. It's a better strategy than playing the hard line "you can't push me around" attitude that will make for a long trip. Read the book "how to win friends and influence people". |
Originally Posted by sandlapper223
(Post 1308987)
suck it up just a bit during the first flight and make some headway with some thoughtful inquiries about who your flying with during cruise.........It's a better strategy than playing the hard line "you can't push me around" attitude that will make for a long trip. Read the book "how to win friends and influence people".
I'm not saying to play hard ball with this guy and get into an argument or anything that could compromise safety. But if the other guy is being a douche bag and you just let it "slide" thinking you're the "bigger man," then you just let him walk all over you and have nothing to show for it other than your own anger and remorse. Man up, call him out and speak your mind, these guys have to learn that they can't get away with their behavior. /rant :cool: |
Originally Posted by The Chow
(Post 1299192)
I've been deadheading a lot in the last few days. My TOTD goes every pax that asked me "aren't you supposed to be up front"?
LMTFA |
Originally Posted by Merlyn
(Post 1309164)
I get that too. I usually tell them we are testing a new autopilot. If they need me they will press the call button
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1309176)
I just them I've downloaded the airline pilot app on the iphone. I can fly the plane from back here now.
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Originally Posted by Merlyn
(Post 1309164)
I get that too. I usually tell them we are testing a new autopilot. If they need me they will press the call button
Try this and watch the response. I wish I could have video'd some of the looks and responses I have received. I am sure I will be called on the carpet for this someday. |
Who was the tool that decided to let APC use random green hyperlinks about every 20 words? They don't even go with the words that describe them. Now it takes forever to read a post because I'm so curious as to what it will say next:p
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Originally Posted by Planespotta
(Post 1308998)
OK, I'll bite. Who would want to "win" the friendship of or "sway" the influence of a douche bag pilot in the first place? Pretending to be his friend just to make things more bearable makes it even worse. Life is too short to suck up to these guys like some soulless sycophant. If you're doing it to "further your career," ask yourself if you really think such a douche bag is liked by other people out there in the industry?
I'm not saying to play hard ball with this guy and get into an argument or anything that could compromise safety. But if the other guy is being a douche bag and you just let it "slide" thinking you're the "bigger man," then you just let him walk all over you and have nothing to show for it other than your own anger and remorse. Man up, call him out and speak your mind, these guys have to learn that they can't get away with their behavior. /rant :cool: My point is, there is only one captain, and if he is being a jackass then speak up. Be tactful. But most won't, and sit and stew about it on an anonymous message board. But that won't help your cause. By all means, if there is a safety of flight issue, be professional, proactive, and speak up. But if its merely a personality issue, or you think you'd like things different, well thats just groovy -- too bad. If things get really unprofessional, then take it to pro-stans or deal with it like a man. That's your job. |
Originally Posted by lionflyer
(Post 1308977)
Airline Captains, toolbox or not, are in that seat because their seniority can hold it. Nothing else! Some guys just need to check their egos at the door.
Not meant to be demeaning to the captain's authority, but I think we can all agree there's some out there that aren't the brightest crayons. |
Originally Posted by sandlapper223
(Post 1309698)
He at most just has more seniority than you do, but at the same time passed upgrade qualification and you haven't yet. No big. But you have a duty to the captain and your employer whether you like the man or not.
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As my wife dropped me off for a trip near the entrance to work, the TSA agent who approached me (shaking and nervous for some odd reason) and stood inches from my face asking me what time it was....to which I replied, "probably close to the time you have on your wrist watch, have a nice day". I guess I should also nominate myself for the response I gave the TSA agent.
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Originally Posted by jc23
(Post 1309780)
As my wife dropped me off for a trip near the entrance to work, the TSA agent who approached me (shaking and nervous for some odd reason) and stood inches from my face asking me what time it was....to which I replied, "probably close to the time you have on your wrist watch, have a nice day". I guess I should also nominate myself for the response I gave the TSA agent.
I go through the portal areas with a surly "don't bother me" expression in an attempt to keep them from attempting the up-close small talk alcohol sniff test thing. It usually works. I've been tempted to stagger about just a little bit and watch the consternation - was it an accident, or is he drunk? - but decided that would be pretty dumb. |
Originally Posted by ForeverFO
(Post 1309832)
Ah yes, the "I'm gonna catch me a drunk pilot and be a hero" TSA bag o' tools.
I go through the portal areas with a surly "don't bother me" expression in an attempt to keep them from attempting the up-close small talk alcohol sniff test thing. It usually works. I've been tempted to stagger about just a little bit and watch the consternation - was it an accident, or is he drunk? - but decided that would be pretty dumb. Commuting to work the other day, I walked past the sign that said something like "for employees flying" and got in the security line behind a starbucks employee and an HSA host (?) employee. I asked the TSA agents if the line was for employees flying or for everyone because the sign said for employees flying. Apparently, I had interrupted the discussion of who was "on break" next and got a thoroughly incoherent answer. Prior to the for employees flying line, there is a keypad door. That's where the airport cleaners enter. |
Originally Posted by The Chow
(Post 1299192)
I've been deadheading a lot in the last few days. My TOTD goes every pax that asked me "aren't you supposed to be up front"?
LMTFA "Sensitivity Training ... the airline wants us to know what you go through..." |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1309904)
As I sit in the middle seat btween two fatties with my bag under my feet, I look up at them and reply:
"Sensitivity Training ... the airline wants us to know what you go through..." I just say that the FAA requires me to complete a certain number of landings per year from the cabin using mind control, and I really need some quiet to concentrate. |
Originally Posted by ForeverFO
(Post 1309832)
I've been tempted to stagger about just a little bit and watch the consternation - was it an accident, or is he drunk? - but decided that would be pretty dumb.
You might know the rules, but the TSA might not and the Airport Cops are usually the folks the local Police don't trust out on the street in uniform. Then you find yourself in a situation where you have all the knowledge, but they have all the authority, a gun and an unlimited budget to prosecute you with. You may be right; you will lose. Hope you are in front of a camera because without physical evidence, they'll just make up the rest. Pushing those guys at all, is really, really, dumb. |
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