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06-09-2016, 11:01 AM
#8323
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: Right Seat, BOHICA Clipper
Posts: 42
The event happened around 4 years ago in ABQ, it just came to mind when I saw the thread.
Same trip he almost put us into the side of the mountain at GUC, because he wanted to make the PA, "We're coming around the mountain..." doing the left traffic to 24. While he's focusing on making the PA, I tell him his downwind is too tight and we need to widen out the downwind pattern to the right, but he turns base and final anyway. He's making the PA below 2,500RA while handflying the base to final turn. The turn to final is wide and we're about to smack into the side of the mountain right of centerline north of US 50. I tell him to "Escape" to order the GPWS Escape maneuver just as GPWS "Terrain, Terrain, Pull Up Pull Up" goes off. He tries to salvage the approach by steepening the bank below 800 RA triggering Bank Angle. I tell him that if he doesn't go around we're going to interface with the ground and leave a red white and blue Eagle smear on the side of the mountain for Gunnison to remember us by before he TOGAs and goes around.
If you ever flew with RoboCop at MQ, this is the way he is... He'll be a MQ lifer, might take flowthru to AA maybe.
Same trip he almost put us into the side of the mountain at GUC, because he wanted to make the PA, "We're coming around the mountain..." doing the left traffic to 24. While he's focusing on making the PA, I tell him his downwind is too tight and we need to widen out the downwind pattern to the right, but he turns base and final anyway. He's making the PA below 2,500RA while handflying the base to final turn. The turn to final is wide and we're about to smack into the side of the mountain right of centerline north of US 50. I tell him to "Escape" to order the GPWS Escape maneuver just as GPWS "Terrain, Terrain, Pull Up Pull Up" goes off. He tries to salvage the approach by steepening the bank below 800 RA triggering Bank Angle. I tell him that if he doesn't go around we're going to interface with the ground and leave a red white and blue Eagle smear on the side of the mountain for Gunnison to remember us by before he TOGAs and goes around.
If you ever flew with RoboCop at MQ, this is the way he is... He'll be a MQ lifer, might take flowthru to AA maybe.
06-09-2016, 06:02 PM
#8324
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Seat: Vegan friendly faux leather
Posts: 988
Yeah, time to pull the tapes if that actually happened.
Today's tool is from the wonderful world of GA:
Plane lands on NC highway after pilot accidentally cuts fuel to engine | WNCN
"pilot accidentally hit the wrong switch, cutting fuel to the engine... after landing the pilot figured out the problem and the switch was turned back on for fuel."
Oooh-kay.
Confused carb heat with fuel shutoff perhaps?
Somebody needs a long talking-to before getting back into the air.
Today's tool is from the wonderful world of GA:
Plane lands on NC highway after pilot accidentally cuts fuel to engine | WNCN
"pilot accidentally hit the wrong switch, cutting fuel to the engine... after landing the pilot figured out the problem and the switch was turned back on for fuel."
Oooh-kay.
Confused carb heat with fuel shutoff perhaps?
Somebody needs a long talking-to before getting back into the air.
06-10-2016, 08:55 PM
#8325
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Joined APC: Jun 2005
Posts: 203
Second, if the captain had tried to "bore me a new one" he would have been disappointed with my lack of caring about his hurt feelings.
Finally, if the DO or CP Were worth their salt, they would have told the captain to pound sand and call Pro Stans, which should have been the first thing the captain should have done if he had a problem.
(The fact that your first reaction seems to be to "rat him out to the CP" speaks volumes...)
Hog
06-10-2016, 11:12 PM
#8326
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Considering the "rank" structure in airline operations is a direct descendant from the nautical world, your comment indicates either a gross disregard or ignorance of our collective heritage.
"Skipper" is an entirely appropriate moniker for an airline Captain.
It's condescending as well.
"Skipper" is an entirely appropriate moniker for an airline Captain.
It's condescending as well.
06-11-2016, 03:53 AM
#8327
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Posts: 6,009
Well, first off "Skipper", we're not in the Navy.
Second, if the captain had tried to "bore me a new one" he would have been disappointed with my lack of caring about his hurt feelings.
Finally, if the DO or CP Were worth their salt, they would have told the captain to pound sand and call Pro Stans, which should have been the first thing the captain should have done if he had a problem.
(The fact that your first reaction seems to be to "rat him out to the CP" speaks volumes...)
Hog
Second, if the captain had tried to "bore me a new one" he would have been disappointed with my lack of caring about his hurt feelings.
Finally, if the DO or CP Were worth their salt, they would have told the captain to pound sand and call Pro Stans, which should have been the first thing the captain should have done if he had a problem.
(The fact that your first reaction seems to be to "rat him out to the CP" speaks volumes...)
Hog
The ATC tape, if you I downloaded it, may come in handy for your defense if your Captain desires(ed) to initiate disciplinary actions against you.
Last edited by captjns; 06-11-2016 at 04:35 AM.
06-11-2016, 05:00 AM
#8328
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,985
The subject of my post was not you "ratting" your Captain out... it would have been your Captain marching up to the Crystal Palace to complain about you for apologizing, unsolicited, for his/her behavior.
The ATC tape, if you I downloaded it, may come in handy for your defense if your Captain desires(ed) to initiate disciplinary actions against you.
The ATC tape, if you I downloaded it, may come in handy for your defense if your Captain desires(ed) to initiate disciplinary actions against you.
CA: FO Bruhaha is insubordinate and needs to be disciplined.
CP: Oh? What did FO Bruhaha do to undermine your authority as captain?
CA: He apologized over the radio without my permission!
CP: What happened that he had to apologize for?
CA: Well this Delta meanie called us a regional jet so I started a pee contest.
CP: Mmhmm...I see. And can you tell me again the problem with FO Bruhaha?
06-11-2016, 12:34 PM
#8329
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: A330
Posts: 1,043
Another instance the captain goes, we are going to talk to the cheap pilot, I said, what are you going to tell him? He was violating the manual, something simple, non life threatening, and I wouldn't let him.
06-11-2016, 04:42 PM
#8330
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 737
Posts: 1,136
The Acey guy on ATL tower who got in a hissy fit because they made him take the victor loop instead of letting him cross the inner runway. They had to taxi "all the way" to ramp 9, and that they always let him cross the inner all the time. Tower guy told him to take a phone number if he had a problem with it. Meanwhile I just wanted my landing clearance.
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