Tool of the day
11-25-2015, 06:51 AM
#7031
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: Stretch DC-9 Gear Slinger
Posts: 619
Nice find! I wonder if Capt Tunes will be on a lot of no fly lists in five years.
11-25-2015, 07:22 AM
#7032
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,538
Thanks Mike, didn't realize we couldn't share things we hear on the radio. I'll admit I didn't know it was an FOM thing since I don't work there yet, but from hearing it on the radio it sounded pretty toolish. I have since been corrected.
11-25-2015, 09:55 AM
#7035
New boss = Old boss
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Ca B737
Posts: 2,762
I'm sure that's not the case, Mike. On a 757 or anything bigger, the tug is under the nose. If not paying attention or heads down when they leave, there is no way to be certain no one is under there or in front of the aircraft.
I know this thread is reserved for the "Delta pilot haters" and believe me, there are some guys that make it easy to hate us, but this is a requirement for us and even if we miss the salute because we are busy doing something else, making someone come out to visually clear us is better than killing someone.
I know this thread is reserved for the "Delta pilot haters" and believe me, there are some guys that make it easy to hate us, but this is a requirement for us and even if we miss the salute because we are busy doing something else, making someone come out to visually clear us is better than killing someone.
If Delta SOP is to require the ramper to stand at attention and SALUTE the captain, then I nominate Delta as TOTD.
11-25-2015, 11:13 AM
#7036
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 1,531
I'm addressing the OP. He said the captain insisted on getting a SALUTE. Like I said, TOTD, IF IF IF the captain insisted on an actual salute. I too can't see the tug or tow bar or have know if the NWS pin has been pulled unless I get a wave off. Most of the time it's a wave from the guy holding the pin as he walks away. Some guys will actually salute to which I usually acknowledge with a wave.
If Delta SOP is to require the ramper to stand at attention and SALUTE the captain, then I nominate Delta as TOTD.
If Delta SOP is to require the ramper to stand at attention and SALUTE the captain, then I nominate Delta as TOTD.
Guideman — Provide salute, indicating the area is clear.
After Start:
After ground equipment is clear, the captain has announced “I
have a salute”, and engine(s) are stabilized.
11-25-2015, 11:28 AM
#7037
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
I'm addressing the OP. He said the captain insisted on getting a SALUTE. Like I said, TOTD, IF IF IF the captain insisted on an actual salute. I too can't see the tug or tow bar or have know if the NWS pin has been pulled unless I get a wave off. Most of the time it's a wave from the guy holding the pin as he walks away. Some guys will actually salute to which I usually acknowledge with a wave.
If Delta SOP is to require the ramper to stand at attention and SALUTE the captain, then I nominate Delta as TOTD.
If Delta SOP is to require the ramper to stand at attention and SALUTE the captain, then I nominate Delta as TOTD.
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
11-25-2015, 12:01 PM
#7038
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
It's called a salute in our manuals, smarty. Before we start aircraft movement, the CA calls out "salute received, flaps xx, call for taxi." The rampers can wave, do a backflip, whatever... the CA didn't see the all clear action which is referred to as a salute so he called them back out. The standard is to salute, and it's rare to see anyone do anything other than that. That's it.
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
11-25-2015, 12:15 PM
#7040
New boss = Old boss
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Ca B737
Posts: 2,762
At AA we also need an actual salute...woudn't you think if there's any question that its much easier to have someone just run out and give the hand gesture and allow everyone to continue according to SOP? Don't know what alternative you would have him do...have the guy plug the headset back in and talk? It's just a salute, for brevity purposes and legalese, not "holier than thou."
Guideman — Provide salute, indicating the area is clear.
After Start:
After ground equipment is clear, the captain has announced “I
have a salute”, and engine(s) are stabilized.
Guideman — Provide salute, indicating the area is clear.
After Start:
After ground equipment is clear, the captain has announced “I
have a salute”, and engine(s) are stabilized.
It's called a salute in our manuals, smarty. Before we start aircraft movement, the CA calls out "salute received, flaps xx, call for taxi." The rampers can wave, do a backflip, whatever... the CA didn't see the all clear action which is referred to as a salute so he called them back out. The standard is to salute, and it's rare to see anyone do anything other than that. That's it.
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
You're working your way well into TOTD land by responding like this!
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