Tool of the day
05-26-2015, 12:05 PM
#6371
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No matter what airplane you buy, step one should be to take it out with an experienced (in type) Instructor and learn how to fly it.
I'm not talking about just doing pattern work, I'm talking about extensive air work; slow flight, steep turns, stall recoveries, upset recoveries, etc. all done at a safe altitude of course.
And if the weather is 'marginal' and you have no instrument time, or very little, or have your ticket but haven't flown any actual IFR in a while, bring an IP with you there too!
Just ask Jon Jon Kennedy what can happen if you don't.
I'm not talking about just doing pattern work, I'm talking about extensive air work; slow flight, steep turns, stall recoveries, upset recoveries, etc. all done at a safe altitude of course.
And if the weather is 'marginal' and you have no instrument time, or very little, or have your ticket but haven't flown any actual IFR in a while, bring an IP with you there too!
Just ask Jon Jon Kennedy what can happen if you don't.
05-26-2015, 01:31 PM
#6372
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
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Valid.
I seized my opportunity after the 2nd scolding by the controller. After the 1st one nobody talked for like 10 seconds so right after he berated everybody the 2nd time I was able to get my callsign out there. I didn't say anything for about 3 minutes and out of the blue he cleared us to taxi
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That said, when captain Happy had his tirade we all (rightfully) berated him. While the controller didn't stoop to that level of toolery, he was out of line in the way he was acting. It's not always our fault when things go wrong. No need to defend a ground controller when he crosses the line past unprofessional and deep into tooldom.
As an aside, it gave the captain and I something to joke about for the rest of the night.
I seized my opportunity after the 2nd scolding by the controller. After the 1st one nobody talked for like 10 seconds so right after he berated everybody the 2nd time I was able to get my callsign out there. I didn't say anything for about 3 minutes and out of the blue he cleared us to taxi
.That said, when captain Happy had his tirade we all (rightfully) berated him. While the controller didn't stoop to that level of toolery, he was out of line in the way he was acting. It's not always our fault when things go wrong. No need to defend a ground controller when he crosses the line past unprofessional and deep into tooldom.
As an aside, it gave the captain and I something to joke about for the rest of the night.
I agree with you on this last post. Too often though, I've found that as pilots, we forget that the controller has other planes to deal with. Looks like you and I deal with this stuff the same way.
05-26-2015, 01:32 PM
#6373
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 58
Don't know if this is already in here somewhere, but I nominate:
Caching In On The Food Babe - Her Air Travel Tips
Caching In On The Food Babe - Her Air Travel Tips
05-26-2015, 01:33 PM
#6374
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
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I go up and spin Super-D's occasionally, got my tailwheel endorsement a long time ago, makes one a better pilot. You can guarantee I'm going to fly a plane that can't recover from a spin, and does things like Shyguy's accident post, in a much different way than a decathlon. I wouldn't do steep banks or load the wing close to the ground, but again I safely would do this in a plane I'm very familiar with and has benign approach to stall characteristics.
05-26-2015, 01:38 PM
#6375
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What about the 757 guy who slowed early in the ATL, got a reasonable "please don't do it again unless you ask..." from the controller, who just couldn't let it go and continued to argue himself into a flight violation right there on final!
05-26-2015, 02:17 PM
#6377
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: retired 767(dl)
Posts: 5,761
And this guy too. I just knew somebody would chime in with a L2RADIO comment. I suppose every pilot at JFK was an idiot who didn't understand radio etiquette. This was a tool controller, end of story.
He wasted half his radio time trying to get some WB past an RJ that wasn't even on freq. Had to listen to the controller tirade about the RJ when he could've had a warm cup of STefU and actually moved aircraft that were capable of moving. The entire problem was caused by the controller, made worse by the controller, and complained about by the controller.
He wasted half his radio time trying to get some WB past an RJ that wasn't even on freq. Had to listen to the controller tirade about the RJ when he could've had a warm cup of STefU and actually moved aircraft that were capable of moving. The entire problem was caused by the controller, made worse by the controller, and complained about by the controller.
05-26-2015, 02:20 PM
#6378
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 2,232
Gee...what airline could that be?
05-26-2015, 03:03 PM
#6379
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If an airport is that busy they need a metering freq. Also, most of the time pilots (and controllers) who block each other don't realize they're doing it because two stations key the mic at the exact same time. How are they to know? Listening won't help. (Think about it.)
Rather than throwing a tantrum, the controller should have taken "control" of the situation by calling aircraft by position.
Rather than throwing a tantrum, the controller should have taken "control" of the situation by calling aircraft by position.
05-26-2015, 03:14 PM
#6380
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If an airport is that busy they need a metering freq. Also, most of the time pilots (and controllers) who block each other don't realize they're doing it because two stations key the mic at the exact same time. How are they to know? Listening won't help. (Think about it.)
I've had pilots that have been on my frequency interupt asking about rides ahead right after I issue a clearance to somebody else.
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