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Old 07-17-2013, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
Tool of the day: Pilots who help clean the cabin.

We're highly trained professionals that should command respect and high compensation. Cleaning the cabin does nothing but give EVERYONE the impression that you should be and desire to be treated like an low income blue collar unskilled worker. It makes the FAs see you as equals and it makes the company see everyone involved as an overpaid aircraft cleaner.

Your job is to safely and skillfully fly airplanes, not be a janitor. Don't stoop to this level... every time you do, it lowers the bar for the rest of us and further strengthens the expectation of everyone else that pilots should and will do it.
Unless something's changed at jetBlue....that's part of the job for pilots. I suppose one could turn down employment if they didn't like it. Plain and simple, if it's in your job description, you're required to do it.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Actually most flight attendants appreciate the nice gesture. Just like when they ask whether you need anything, that's not their job either.
Actually, I never expected a pilot to help tidy the cabin but it was a nice gesture. An even nicer gesture was when they asked if you needed anything from the terminal...food, coffee, etc. before they ran up to get it for themselves.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
Tool of the day: Pilots who help clean the cabin.

We're highly trained professionals that should command respect and high compensation. Cleaning the cabin does nothing but give EVERYONE the impression that you should be and desire to be treated like an low income blue collar unskilled worker. It makes the FAs see you as equals and it makes the company see everyone involved as an overpaid aircraft cleaner.

Your job is to safely and skillfully fly airplanes, not be a janitor. Don't stoop to this level... every time you do, it lowers the bar for the rest of us and further strengthens the expectation of everyone else that pilots should and will do it.
We had an extra one of these laying around, so we might as well mail one to you also:

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Old 07-17-2013, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LNL76
Unless something's changed at jetBlue....that's part of the job for pilots. I suppose one could turn down employment if they didn't like it. Plain and simple, if it's in your job description, you're required to do it.
And its a part of their job description because too many pilots decided they'd "help out" and do it. And now its an expected part of their employment. They've managed to turn themselves into aircraft cleaners.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:38 AM
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He's got a point, though.

Yeah it's nice to help people. But FA's don't help me walk around at LGA in December, mechanics aren't there during the oral to explain things to me, etc.

When I was a new hire, a 727FE, I was asked to ride the brakes for a tow to another gate. Being a "team player", I was ready to help. CA said "That's not your job, it's theirs. If they need more mechanics, it'll be evident and the CO will hire more. And if something goes wrong, they'll hang you."

He was right.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
And its a part of their job description because too many pilots decided they'd "help out" and do it. And now its an expected part of their employment. They've managed to turn themselves into aircraft cleaners.
I happen to agree BUT I didn't make that agreement with management, THEY DID and now have to live with it. However, YOU can't say they shouldn't do it...that ship has sailed.


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He's got a point, though.

Yeah it's nice to help people. But FA's don't help me walk around at LGA in December, mechanics aren't there during the oral to explain things to me, etc.

When I was a new hire, a 727FE, I was asked to ride the brakes for a tow to another gate. Being a "team player", I was ready to help. CA said "That's not your job, it's theirs. If they need more mechanics, it'll be evident and the CO will hire more. And if something goes wrong, they'll hang you."

He was right.
True, just like if a pilot decides to help the rampers and fling bags and get hurt, they're NOT covered under Disability Laws (or so I've heard). Everyone has to do what's in their job description..nothing more, nothing less. While it's nice if someone helps out outside their job description, it's not necessary and as I've said I'd much prefer someone offering to pick up some food/beverage for those whose job it IS to tidy cabin, etc. By the same token, sometimes pilots are stuck during turns dealing with a mx issue or something else and can't grab stuff from the terminal. The FAs should offer. There's no "I" in team, after all!
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:03 AM
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While it's nice if someone helps out outside their job description, it's not necessary and as I've said I'd much prefer someone offering to pick up some food/beverage for those whose job it IS to tidy cabin, etc. By the same token, sometimes pilots are stuck during turns dealing with a mx issue or something else and can't grab stuff from the terminal. The FAs should offer. There's no "I" in team, after all!
That's the difference between being friends, and nice to your co-workers, and doing company work outside of your particular job.

When that CA said I'd get hung if something went wrong, he was absolutely right. A wingtip gets dinged, or someone gets hurt, and I'd be in the hot seat.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We had an extra one of these laying around, so we might as well mail one to you also:

Thank you Mr. Bar

Don't worry he's working his way to the top....last year he had my nomination for tool of the year, maybe this will be your year lolwut.
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Thank you Mr. Bar

Don't worry he's working his way to the top....last year he had my nomination for tool of the year, maybe this will be your year lolwut.
If it is, I really hope I get some sort of "APC TOOL OF THE YEAR - 2013" trophy or plaque.

Or at least some sort of sticker that I can put on my flight bag.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Thank you Mr. Bar

Don't worry he's working his way to the top....last year he had my nomination for tool of the year, maybe this will be your year lolwut.
You can call me Dude, or The Dude, or El' Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing ....
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