Tool of the day
12-09-2012, 09:50 AM
#3441
Enjoys working weekend
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 511
12-09-2012, 10:46 AM
#3442
Looking for a laugh
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,099
Karma likes to play too, when they go on to a mainline and try to play the game their way. Nothing more amusing than sitting on a JS and watching one get regulated.
12-09-2012, 11:52 AM
#3443
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,914
No, Saxman's story sounds like an ego RJ Captain who is a micro-manager. No one likes flying with them.
12-09-2012, 12:24 PM
#3444
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Starboard Side, weekends & holidays.
Posts: 856
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh the N v S headset thingie!! I love it!!
Back pre-merger it was just backwards from what you described. We had the nice Telex sets and just a very small percentage had their own headsets.........mostly guys with real high end noise cancel thingies. Soooooooo the we always complained about the guys who never plugged the ship headset back in. Also, there was no standard place to store the headset so you had to hunt for it.
Now the merger comes along and we get the POS DCs. Yes........EVEN I went out and purchased a headset. Then I would complain about those guys who cant store the DCs.
Come to the Airbus, nice Telex and very few guys use their own (have to buy a $50something adapter) and become "that guy who doesn't plug the ship headset back in"
Back pre-merger it was just backwards from what you described. We had the nice Telex sets and just a very small percentage had their own headsets.........mostly guys with real high end noise cancel thingies. Soooooooo the we always complained about the guys who never plugged the ship headset back in. Also, there was no standard place to store the headset so you had to hunt for it.
Now the merger comes along and we get the POS DCs. Yes........EVEN I went out and purchased a headset. Then I would complain about those guys who cant store the DCs.
Come to the Airbus, nice Telex and very few guys use their own (have to buy a $50something adapter) and become "that guy who doesn't plug the ship headset back in"
12-09-2012, 12:56 PM
#3445
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Urban chicken rancher.
Posts: 6,070
I was a fairly new FO and at the beginning of a 4 day, my CA briefs on APU starting after we land at each station. In other words, which station to start the APU and which ones to not. Well there's no way remember any of this, so on 1st landing I simply ask him again if he wants the APU on. Again I'm new and have no idea who has ground power and who doesn't. So he turns to me and asks "Do you remember the briefing I gave you about that?"
"Umm no, I got everything mixed up." So he huffs and reminds me that CVG is a no APU station. Got it!
Later in the trip we land in ATL. This is my first time in ATL as a pilot, ever! I called in our on and in times (no ACARS) and he yells at me for calling :33 instead of :36.
"Umm I didn't hear you say a thing to me about the times."
"Well I told you about 2 minutes ago. Aren't you listening?"
A few minutes later, I'm getting the clearance for our next leg. I was very careful to read the notes on the Jepps about how you only tell clearance your ramp and only read back the Squawk code. Well I slip up slightly but it was no big deal with ATC. The controller was very nice about it. Well then Mr. Toolbag asks me which runway he gave us...
"Umm, I have no idea" What airport gives us a runway in the clearance, I'm thinking? Again, I've never been to ATL. The guy didn't give a runway.
"He told you it was 8L."
So then he's had enough of me and lectures me about how I don't listen to anything. His briefings, how I should have read the Jepp pages on how to get the clearance in ATL. I was almost shaking at this point.
This was 5 years ago and I've learned not to take crap like that anymore.
"Umm no, I got everything mixed up." So he huffs and reminds me that CVG is a no APU station. Got it!
Later in the trip we land in ATL. This is my first time in ATL as a pilot, ever! I called in our on and in times (no ACARS) and he yells at me for calling :33 instead of :36.
"Umm I didn't hear you say a thing to me about the times."
"Well I told you about 2 minutes ago. Aren't you listening?"
A few minutes later, I'm getting the clearance for our next leg. I was very careful to read the notes on the Jepps about how you only tell clearance your ramp and only read back the Squawk code. Well I slip up slightly but it was no big deal with ATC. The controller was very nice about it. Well then Mr. Toolbag asks me which runway he gave us...
"Umm, I have no idea" What airport gives us a runway in the clearance, I'm thinking? Again, I've never been to ATL. The guy didn't give a runway.
"He told you it was 8L."
So then he's had enough of me and lectures me about how I don't listen to anything. His briefings, how I should have read the Jepp pages on how to get the clearance in ATL. I was almost shaking at this point.
This was 5 years ago and I've learned not to take crap like that anymore.
12-09-2012, 02:23 PM
#3446
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: the correct seat
Posts: 1,422
Those are probably the lifers whose ego prevents them from moving up because they'd have to be FO's again.
12-10-2012, 06:23 AM
#3447
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 737
Every new-hire group should have a special class where they teach how do deal with d-bag Captains, because the intimidation factor for new guys is through the roof. They tend to meekly submit to abuse because they don't know that standing up for one's self in certain situations is acceptable.
There are obvious differences between PIC decisions (CA is right unless safety of flight is involved) and just plain abuse.
When I was probation, we were once taking vectors to final. CA is hand flying. ATC says "Turn left heading 260." The CA reaches up and spins the heading bug (which is not procedure, BTW) and misses 260 by about 8 degrees. I reach up to set 260, and the dude smacks my hand, says "don't touch that!". There was no weather, he wasn't dodging a cumulus. I sat there and took it like a sheep.
There are obvious differences between PIC decisions (CA is right unless safety of flight is involved) and just plain abuse.
When I was probation, we were once taking vectors to final. CA is hand flying. ATC says "Turn left heading 260." The CA reaches up and spins the heading bug (which is not procedure, BTW) and misses 260 by about 8 degrees. I reach up to set 260, and the dude smacks my hand, says "don't touch that!". There was no weather, he wasn't dodging a cumulus. I sat there and took it like a sheep.
12-10-2012, 06:53 AM
#3448
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
I think doucheness is a personality trait, and so deeply engrained that a brief sentence as a FO won't cure the itch, just make them more agressive. Just look at some of the super-senior guys you might fly with. The real young guys that were quick upgrades can be either apreciative of their good fortune, or total entitled pricks that feel no pain but their own. Either way, their fast advancement becomes a personality mutliplier.
This is where the length of the mainline FO position becomes critical. You can only fight your own nature so long. I assume this is why we at Delta like to not upgrade right now. By the time you finally get there, you're a super nice guy (or you just snapped, or you dropped from a coronary event in your tenth year). At upgrade, I assume you're so worn out you don't even have the energy to be an [deleted] anymore.
Throw in a little furlough for character development... Say, I must be one hell of a nice guy!
12-10-2012, 07:34 AM
#3449
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
It's too bad we lost the Flight Engineer seat, it was a great place to watch and learn, low threat, and you had the F/O there to act as a buffer, to the Dbag Capts.
If the guy was a real tool, you could conspire with the F/O to punk him at some point in the trip, and you could always blame the sudden fart odors on the other guy.
But with only two pilots, you both know who did it, immediately!
If the guy was a real tool, you could conspire with the F/O to punk him at some point in the trip, and you could always blame the sudden fart odors on the other guy.
But with only two pilots, you both know who did it, immediately!
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