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4runner 11-02-2018 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by CanWeGetTheLeft (Post 2701891)
I bet you hold your hand over the flap lever.

I bet you yodel checklists and have a suction mounted go pro and an instachat dedicated to your regional exploits.

4runner 11-02-2018 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2701913)
Wind checker, and member of the guard police.

I accidentally transmitted on guard over California a few days ago. The first person to tell me “on guard” was appreciated. The other 6 aircraft who in rapid succession, spring loaded to tell me “you’re on guard” are awesome.

WhaleSurfing 11-03-2018 01:23 AM

When ATC asks for your Mach or Airspeed stop responding with, “What do you need?” They’ll tell you if they need something different. The rest if us don’t need to hear four more unnecessary words because you think it’s cool to respond with that ridiculous phrase.

captjns 11-03-2018 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2702105)
When ATC asks for your Mach or Airspeed stop responding with, “What do you need?” They’ll tell you if they need something different. The rest if us don’t need to hear four more unnecessary words because you think it’s cool to respond with that ridiculous phrase.

In your opinion, probably in the minority, its not cool to enquirer with ATC what they need. Monitor guard, and make sure those Ray Bans are clean and shiny:rolleyes:.

tunes 11-03-2018 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2702105)
When ATC asks for your Mach or Airspeed stop responding with, “What do you need?” They’ll tell you if they need something different. The rest if us don’t need to hear four more unnecessary words because you think it’s cool to respond with that ridiculous phrase.

You sound like a joy to fly with. 4 whole words? The horror.

prex8390 11-03-2018 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2702105)
When ATC asks for your Mach or Airspeed stop responding with, “What do you need?” They’ll tell you if they need something different. The rest if us don’t need to hear four more unnecessary words because you think it’s cool to respond with that ridiculous phrase.

So literally like.... 90% of pilots are tools? Like everyone does that.

CanWeGetTheLeft 11-03-2018 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 2702099)
I bet you yodel checklists and have a suction mounted go pro and an instachat dedicated to your regional exploits.

1) I do them to bubble trance played over my Bluetooth speaker.
2) instagram.
3) when it’s not on a selfie stick out the DV window it’s on a head strap
4) I ask ATC “what do you need” when they ask how fast I’m going.

Big E 757 11-03-2018 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 2701725)
spirit has never been allowes to do LAHSO, they dont want to train us

I understand that part, he used ATL in his example which makes it obvious he’s just making up his scenario because ATL doesn’t have intersecting runways.

Adlerdriver 11-03-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2702179)
So literally like.... 90% of pilots are tools? Like everyone does that.

I don’t care about the number of words, but don’t they need to know your speed in order to figure out what they need and tell you that? Seems smarter to just answer the question rather than come back with another question. But, what do I know? ....... I monitor guard. :D

WhaleSurfing 11-03-2018 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2702174)
You sound like a joy to fly with. 4 whole words? The horror.

Clearly you missed the point. No surprise there. And I’m sure the controller wants to here that over and over. Four whole words times how many times a day? Yes you missed the point by a few hundred light years.

captjns 11-03-2018 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2702250)
Clearly you missed the point. No surprise there. And I’m sure the controller wants to here that over and over. Four whole words times how many times a day? Yes you missed the point by a few hundred light years.

To avoid going postal, have your captains monitor the radio then. Problem solved for ya.

flensr 11-03-2018 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2702256)
To avoid going postal, have your captains monitor the radio then. Problem solved for ya.

Just pull out a cup of soup, run the seat full aft, and in between slurps mumble hey can you get the radios for a bit. You can stretch that out for an hour or more if you're creative packing your lunch. Crackers with some sort of spread and a teeny tiny little TSA approved wooden spatula to spread it with can turn a light snack into a half-hour project, cold mic the whole time.

PSU Flyer 11-03-2018 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2702233)
I understand that part, he used ATL in his example which makes it obvious he’s just making up his scenario because ATL doesn’t have intersecting runways.

LAHSO isn’t just for intersecting runways. ATL has LAHSO hold lines near the end of some of their runways so they can legally cross aircraft at the end of the runway with landing traffic still on the runway. Not sure how often they use them, but they’re there.

A Squared 11-03-2018 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 2702267)
Just pull out a cup of soup, run the seat full aft, and in between slurps mumble hey can you get the radios for a bit. You can stretch that out for an hour or more if you're creative packing your lunch. Crackers with some sort of spread and a teeny tiny little TSA approved wooden spatula to spread it with can turn a light snack into a half-hour project, cold mic the whole time.


Have you flown with me?

A Squared 11-03-2018 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2702244)
I don’t care about the number of words, but don’t they need to know your speed in order to figure out what they need and tell you that? Seems smarter to just answer the question rather than come back with another question. But, what do I know? ....... I monitor guard. :D


Yeah, this. The controller isn't asking you your speed because he's already decided what speed he wants you to maintain and he's reluctant to just come straight out and ask you to maintain it. Controllers are actually pretty good at not asking pointless questions merely as a conversational gambit. He's asking for your speed because it's information he needs, and by not giving him that information he just asked for, you're wasting his time and demonstrating that you don't quite grasp the concept.

freezingflyboy 11-03-2018 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 2702269)
LAHSO isn’t just for intersecting runways. ATL has LAHSO hold lines near the end of some of their runways so they can legally cross aircraft at the end of the runway with landing traffic still on the runway. Not sure how often they use them, but they’re there.

Was just about to say this. To add, often it's the very last taxiway before the end of the pavement so if you miss that intersection, you're in the dirt. Never understood the point of refusing that sort of LAHSO. Controller might as well ask "hey Spirit, can you be assured you won't go off the end of the runway?" I guess when you refuse you're saying "Nope. Not a guarantee."

Oh well. Not in your ops specs, it's not in your ops specs.

A Squared 11-03-2018 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2702298)
Was just about to say this. To add, often it's the very last taxiway before the end of the pavement so if you miss that intersection, you're in the dirt. Never understood the point of refusing that sort of LAHSO. Controller might as well ask "hey Spirit, can you be assured you won't go off the end of the runway?" I guess when you refuse you're saying "Nope. Not a guarantee."

Oh well. Not in your ops specs, it's not in your ops specs.


Meh, I get what you're saying from a practical standpoint, but right or wrong, the legalities of Airline flying aren't about "practical" they're about black and white. Either you're trained and approved for LAHSO operations, or your not. If you're not, then ATC has to give you clear runway full length for landing. There really aren't any grey areas there. Would you accept a LAHSO clearance if you weren't approved for it? I wouldn't.

crbnftprnt 11-04-2018 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 2702274)
Yeah, this. The controller isn't asking you your speed because he's already decided what speed he wants you to maintain and he's reluctant to just come straight out and ask you to maintain it. Controllers are actually pretty good at not asking pointless questions merely as a conversational gambit. He's asking for your speed because it's information he needs, and by not giving him that information he just asked for, you're wasting his time and demonstrating that you don't quite grasp the concept.

Exactly right, A Squared. The controller is asking the question because he needs to adjust either your speed or somebody else's. All he sees are groundspeeds. He has no idea what those translate to in IAS or Mach in your cockpit, and therefore doesn't know yet "what he wants." Maybe someday it will be permissible for a controller to assign groundspeeds. Until then, he needs an answer to the explicit question he asked. Several toolish responses in this thread.

vessbot 11-04-2018 08:49 PM

These are valid criticisms of "what do you need" by itself, but I've never heard it by itself, only in conjunction with stating the speed as asked. Does this really exist in the wild?

symbian simian 11-04-2018 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing (Post 2702105)
When ATC asks for your Mach or Airspeed stop responding with, “What do you need?” They’ll tell you if they need something different. The rest if us don’t need to hear four more unnecessary words because you think it’s cool to respond with that ridiculous phrase.

At the risk of nominating myself yet again, I have answered “.75, what do you want?”, mostly to say I am flexible on the whole speed issue, as opposed to:”we are doing .76 due to turbulence” or something like that.

at6d 11-04-2018 09:00 PM

Let’s switch to “all traffic please advise.”

Skypilotsv1984 11-05-2018 01:36 AM

Only when taking the active.

ReadyRsv 11-05-2018 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2703081)
Let’s switch to “all traffic please advise.”

Some airlines have that enshrined in FOM because there are a bunch of dumbass pilots out there who won’t make a call unless prompted

GogglesPisano 11-05-2018 05:16 AM

This last page is ludicrous.;)

GrummanCT 11-05-2018 11:58 AM

The Captain and I emphasize CAPTAIN because he let us know about 20 times on the PA of AA1535 today from San Jose to Ohare who went into the most ridiculous details of the flight plan and route. Thank God I was able to get my earphones in to drown him out, but I’ve never heard anyone talk so much about points on the ground between Lake Taho and Sioux City. Shut up man.

captjns 11-05-2018 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by GrummanCT (Post 2703382)
The Captain and I emphasize CAPTAIN because he let us know about 20 times on the PA of AA1535 today from San Jose to Ohare who went into the most ridiculous details of the flight plan and route. Thank God I was able to get my earphones in to drown him out, but I’ve never heard anyone talk so much about points on the ground between Lake Taho and Sioux City. Shut up man.

That’s why he’s the captain and you’re not.

Floobs 11-05-2018 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by GrummanCT (Post 2703382)
The Captain and I emphasize CAPTAIN because he let us know about 20 times on the PA of AA1535 today from San Jose to Ohare who went into the most ridiculous details of the flight plan and route. Thank God I was able to get my earphones in to drown him out, but I’ve never heard anyone talk so much about points on the ground between Lake Taho and Sioux City. Shut up man.

AA guys love doing that. Thankfully most are on their way out.

freezingflyboy 11-05-2018 07:53 PM

I'm going to nominate the idiot mother in the terminal in DTW with her face in her phone crushing candy or booking face or whatever it is that idiots glue themselves to their phones for. She's completely oblivious to the rest of the world while her 2-3 year old plays at the end of a long moving walk way. Just about punted that poor kid when I came screaming off that thing trying to make my commute and he goes rolling across the exit ramp with his toy car! :rolleyes:

Skypilotsv1984 11-05-2018 08:12 PM

Maybe she was engrossed in the latest rumors on APC!

LNL76 11-05-2018 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2703621)
I'm going to nominate the idiot mother in the terminal in DTW with her face in her phone crushing candy or booking face or whatever it is that idiots glue themselves to their phones for. She's completely oblivious to the rest of the world while her 2-3 year old plays at the end of a long moving walk way. Just about punted that poor kid when I came screaming off that thing trying to make my commute and he goes rolling across the exit ramp with his toy car! :rolleyes:


Total moron! You need a license to drive a car, cut hair, give mani/pedis, sell real estate, etc., but NOTHING needed to breed/raise a child! :rolleyes:

GogglesPisano 11-06-2018 07:28 AM

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp0H1KmH...on_share_sheet


These parents.

Al Czervik 11-06-2018 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Floobs (Post 2703571)
AA guys love doing that. Thankfully most are on their way out.

That’s all some have.

Ducttape 11-06-2018 09:27 AM

The TOTD goes to the pilot who posted this as his solution to punish any pilot who applied for a job while his airline was in negotiations.




Originally Posted by WantTheJob (Post 2703824)
I’ll tell you a simple but effective solution that may promote some thought for many of those guys.

1. Make a list of those said pilots and while still being professional non-threatening, mentor and explain to them that they will have to go above and beyond in their time at F9 to make up for their error in judgement. Most of all ensure that they understand and process the poor decision they made without using the “Scab” term. That term is reserved for a few elite and fungal members of society and should not be thrown around loosely.

2. Get another list of the guys that can prove their Job offer during this time and declined. Help anyone on that list get rehired and when they are at F9 they should not pay for their beers on any trips for their probationary year.


putzin 11-06-2018 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2703871)
The TOTD goes to the pilot who posted this as his solution to punish any pilot who applied for a job while his airline was in negotiations.

There are a few vocal souls at F9 that are really detracting from the strength of the group. I think we can all understand their frustrations, but using their logic, ANY who are hired during section 6 negotiations should not receive part of the ratification bonus because they have delayed the process by getting a job there.

It's short sighted, however tensions are high so it's a little understandable. In this age of activism it's easy to jump on the wagon without even thinking about why you're on it.

Laker24 11-07-2018 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by GrummanCT (Post 2703382)
The Captain and I emphasize CAPTAIN because he let us know about 20 times on the PA of AA1535 today from San Jose to Ohare who went into the most ridiculous details of the flight plan and route. Thank God I was able to get my earphones in to drown him out, but I’ve never heard anyone talk so much about points on the ground between Lake Taho and Sioux City. Shut up man.


You WILL respect my authoritay!

squib 11-07-2018 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2702179)
So literally like.... 90% of pilots are tools? Like everyone does that.


Yep. 90% of pilots are indeed tools. ATC asks a question. Don't respond with another question. Don't say "checking in" or "with you" and don't hover your hand on the flap lever. If you disagree, you are probably the guy people don't like flying with.

squib 11-07-2018 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by crbnftprnt (Post 2702998)
He has no idea what those translate to in IAS or Mach in your cockpit, and therefore doesn't know yet "what he wants." Maybe someday it will be permissible for a controller to assign groundspeeds. Until then, he needs an answer to the explicit question he asked. Several toolish responses in this thread.


If he needs to assign a speed, he will. Quite wasting time on the radio. If you disagree you are directly the reason this thread exists and won't ever understand.

AboveMins 11-08-2018 01:21 AM

I nominate the guy in Kazakhstan airspace last night who was impersonating Borat on fingers.

zerozero 11-08-2018 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by AboveMins (Post 2704762)
I nominate the guy in Kazakhstan airspace last night who was impersonating Borat on fingers.

Generally speaking, bored pilots can be 'toolish'.

Note to aspiring long haul pilots: If you're so bored during cruise you start acting like a teenager, chose another profession.

CanWeGetTheLeft 11-08-2018 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by squib (Post 2704757)
Yep. 90% of pilots are indeed tools. ATC asks a question. Don't respond with another question. Don't say "checking in" or "with you" and don't hover your hand on the flap lever. If you disagree, you are probably the guy people don't like flying with.

So according to your logic, 90% of pilots are “the guy people don’t like flying with?”

I bet you’re a blast on a 4 day.


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