.....and this right here is why those who came up through the CFI route make better Captains then those who didn't. A CFI would know the implications of a Captain hovering their hands over the control surfaces to a newish FO that is flying.

Exactly. Someone gets it. It takes half a second to move hands to the controls from a comfortable resting position. Let the pf fly the plane.

Ive had FOs hands hover before. When I see hovering I'd say, Flllllllllan would be good right now. Half the time I'd get em to move the flap handle. Then jokingly rip them a new one.

This reminds me of the CA that would say “not yet...now” when I called “10,000” a second early.
I still feel joy from my passive aggressive elongated “teeeeen thhhhhoooooousaaaaand” for the rest of the trip. He literally sat there shaking his head in agony.
SWA hired him.

Where do these guys come from? Do they ask themselves “what can I do to not be liked, not get along with others and tank CRM in the process?”

I thought I was the only one that guy did that to.

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just for reference, what part won it for you?

Probably the hand over the flap lever.

Do what you want as the CA, but keep in mind how distracting that is for a newer FO who will likely fixate on “why is his hand there? Should I configure? Does he want me to configure?”

The “your leg, you fly” is great in theory, but placing your hand on the flap lever or gear handle to “avoid searching for the handle”
Is pretty obnoxious.

I keep my hand on the cockpit door handle so as soon as the parking checklist is finished I can disappear into the night.

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You should know your airplane enough with eyes closed your hand should be able to find the flaps, gear, thrust levers, parking brake, spoilers, etc.

No new to hand hover. As a FO over a decade, I saw numerous cases of hand hovering. As a new-ish FO it definitely makes one wonder if the CA wants to configure now? Or did I mess up that the CA want the flaps/gear now?

I guess I just don’t care enough. Want to configure now? Ok. Want to fly every leg? Ok. Doesn’t matter to me, I get paid the same.

I think you and I would get along.

I draw the line at guarding the yoke.

It's more of a distraction than anything else. By you doing that it's a going to make me (the PF) wonder "Should I be asking for flaps?" The great thing is the location of the flap lever doesn't move, so you won't have to go "looking for the handle" It's always in the same location on every flight. ;)

"If you fly, you fly" followed by hand hovering is just like the "I'm pretty laid back..."

It is super annoying and I get pleasure out of waiting to configure so that those guys have to sit there with their hand hovering over the flap lever.

Haha. Well said and 100% true.

TOTD: "Whatever you want" instead of "thanks, I forgot" as a response to my reminder to add something required to the performance ACARS like a tailwind, or full thrust due to windshear, or wet runway, or anti ice on...

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If their hand is in the flaps, I call for gear.
If their hand is on the gear, I call for flaps.

It’s a matter of principle.

I usta swab everything down with alcohol swabs and then put kleenex around my collar and then a small towel on the glare shield. They knew for sure it would be a relaxed trip.

Then a hand sanitizer treatment seconds after shaking hands.

This bugs the crap out of me. I make sure I wait as long as safely possible with their hand there to call for them.

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pretty sure I am not going to convince anyone but:

I put my hand behind the flap lever on the pedestal, so I am ready when he asks for 'm, I don't hover, and never the gear lever, did the same while I was the FO. If I say "I think you need the flaps/gear" it is because we are well within "my controls/ga-around territory". 20 years, roughly half FO, half PIC, really don't think I have a lot of people who wouldn't fly with me.

I don't just say "you fly" in the briefing, I try to make it clear during the flight that as long as we are not breaking the plane/rules, you can do what you want. I would never sit with my hand on the gear lever because (A320) that would be uncomfortable, I can easily keep my hand just behind the flap lever, so I don't or have to get my reading glasses out or set the parking brake by mistake. I really think (hope) that if you flew with me you would realize it wasn't a hint, if I really want you to extend the flaps I would just say "I think you need flaps".
Also on the short bus, 99% of the time guys ask for flaps as soon as they can, both on the way up and down, so not really any chance of it being taken as a hint.

i always like the way you think

I asked a CA why he kept his hand on the flap lever.
He said: “So I can find it if I need to.”
I asked him if he ever had trouble finding the flap lever.
He said: “No, just my hand.” :D

Performing my walk around the aircraft in ATL, no safety vest on because the aircraft doesn't have one and we don't have any extra available according to mx. Non-reving Delta FO boards while I'm outside, walks up front to tell the CA that I'm not wearing my safety vest.

This guy was the crown jewel of tools.

Did you get grounded, or just a stern talking to?

I received a proper spanking first and was then told I was grounded.

:mad:

Welcome to the ATL. :D

Atlanta seems to be a cultivating ground for wanna be management types.

Sounds like he needs the same talk I have with my three year old about tattletales.

atl atc... “hey sprit since when are you not allowed to accept LAHSO? we didn’t get this information here nor did anyone of my colleagues nationally. Just curious why all of a sudden for the change right now?” Fo “ the skipper said he has worked here 14 years and never been able to do them.” Heard a few other strange things lately from 380 to taxiway Dixie.

:confused: If you really can't differentiate between turning the parking brake t-handle 90-degreees or the flap handle "lift to move fore and aft" motion, I think there are bigger issues involved than poor CRM. Maybe if you actually need glasses to differentiate between various actuators, you should be wearing them.

Were you up there when he told the ca? If so the totd level increases about tenfold...

I dunno, the fact that he did it behind his back makes it worse for me

Right. There is ZERO excuse for a very annoying habit like that.

Not only that, has anyone ever taught these folks that one should never touch the flap or gear handles unless they are being operated?! I mean, that’s private pilot basics.

Get your hand off the gear and the flap handle.

I say this in the complete spirit of honest communication and not the continuation of a routine online bicker: no matter what the internal justification in your head of why your hand is by the flap lever, it's probably coming across as the typical hand hover.

Also your justification is shaky at best, and I couldn't tell where seriousness ended and joking began. When he calls for the control, you simply look at it, put your hand on it, and move it. That's all there is to it. Same as any other time you push a button.

Best point was made by whoever mentioned the simple fact that IF you need to place your hand on a lever to be able to recognize it without glasses, you need to be wearing your glasses.

Or just maybe he was trying to keep you out of trouble. City of Atlanta has past an ordinance that anyone on the ramp will have a safety vest on and those not in compliance will get a summons(whatever that means) if airport police see you without. Oddly enough, the HVC's that get run between gates in the Porches don't require them, nor do crews being run in the crew vans when running late. PS we don't like it either.