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SideFlare 10-18-2018 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2693342)
“Cool” is a matter of perspective I suppose. You can keep looking cool in the silly leather jacket. I’ll keep looking classy and professional in my blazer.

It’s a jacket, dude... Nothing more. Most airlines authorize it. SWA rocks the north face jacket, Alaska has that weird brown thing, and most companies still authorize the leather. Why complain? How does this affect your day to day operations? As I’ve seen, there are plenty of trashy d-bags that look like crap in the blazer. The last United guy I jumpseated with looked like a bag full of smashed a33holes in his 20 year-old, weathered jacket. Just saying. There are better things we can fight about.

If you want to judge, mock us JetBlue pilots and our blue overcoats. Talk about a clown show.

FlyyGuyy 10-18-2018 01:28 AM


Originally Posted by SideFlare (Post 2693394)
It’s a jacket, dude... Nothing more. Most airlines authorize it. SWA rocks the north face jacket, Alaska has that weird brown thing, and most companies still authorize the leather. Why complain? How does this affect your day to day operations? As I’ve seen, there are plenty of trashy d-bags that look like crap in the blazer. The last United guy I jumpseated with looked like a bag full of smashed a33holes in his 20 year-old, weathered jacket. Just saying. There are better things we can fight about.

If you want to judge, mock us JetBlue pilots and our blue overcoats. Talk about a clown show.

I'll say this, on the crj I hate when people have the leather jacket. It filled up our tiny joke of a closet and I'm left hanging my blazer in a pile in the corner.

Plus when I first came to this airline the leather jacket guys were the same as the hat guys and it wasn't a good thing.

SideFlare 10-18-2018 01:34 AM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 2693402)
I'll say this, on the crj I hate when people have the leather jacket. It filled up our tiny joke of a closet and I'm left hanging my blazer in a pile in the corner.

Plus when I first came to this airline the leather jacket guys were the same as the hat guys and it wasn't a good thing.

The leather makes sense on the Airbus. The coat we are supposed to wear doesn’t. Honestly, who cares what jacket you wear, RJ or not. This is a ridiculous argument. Coming from an aircraft that is far smaller than my current one, the size difference is negligible. Plenty of space on either side to fit everything, even in the CRJ 200. The Jacket does not make the tool, the tool makes the jacket.

lowcountryflyer 10-18-2018 05:32 AM

The guy in his black jeep nearly going on two wheels as he cut me off turning into Jetblue University a few days ago. Embry-Riddle license plate, ray bans and blasting top gun soundtrack for all to hear.
Forget coats and earbuds. This one tops them all..

4runner 10-18-2018 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2693381)
So you're the guy! That hat looks snazzy too.

He’s not only a TOTD, he’s the President.

tomgoodman 10-18-2018 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by SideFlare (Post 2693405)
Honestly, who cares what jacket you wear, RJ or not. This is a ridiculous argument.

Fashionistas care! Even authorized uniform items can visually trigger some people. :rolleyes:

TransWorld 10-18-2018 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2693569)
Fashionistas care! Even authorized uniform items can visually trigger some people. :rolleyes:

Snowflakes are triggered by things in their imagination that they think people wear and say, but do not.

Wasn’t it Abraham Lincoln who said, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all the people all of the time”.

captjns 10-18-2018 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2693342)
“Cool” is a matter of perspective I suppose. You can keep looking cool in the silly leather jacket. I’ll keep looking classy and professional in my blazer.

As Nando says... “Its better to look good than fly good.... and I’ll bet you look marvelous Whackmaster“.

At the end of the day, I’ll bet the pax would rather have pilot that flies good, while wearing his/her leather jacket, rather than one that I wouldn’t trust to drive the turd hearse near an airplane, while wearing his/her blazer.

ItnStln 10-18-2018 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2693593)
Wasn’t it Abraham Lincoln who said, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all the people all of the time”.

That’s true

at6d 10-18-2018 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2693593)
Wasn’t it Abraham Lincoln who said, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all the people all of the time”.

Or Bob Marley.

wt7566 10-19-2018 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2692387)
Do pilots still wear ‘Bans?

not the gold framed classic aviators anymore....all the kool kids are wearing the retro wayfarers, apparently. 'Gubment paid for me to have some creepy looking prescription shades with square lenses 15 years ago so I'm sticking with them until they fall apart, although they aren't quite TOTD worthy.

Comforteagle76 10-20-2018 12:49 AM

I nominate all these clowns arguing about leather jackets and Ray Bans and crap.....:D

Photoflier 10-20-2018 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2693342)
“Cool” is a matter of perspective I suppose. You can keep looking cool in the silly leather jacket. I’ll keep looking classy and professional in my blazer.

It’s not about Blazer vs leather jacket. It’s about flasher TRENCHCOAT vs leather jacket. When it’s -20 I’m not going to sit out there waiting for the van in my blazer. So the uniform policy allows for flasher coat, or leather coat. I know which one I’m picking!!

captjns 10-20-2018 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Photoflier (Post 2694689)
It’s not about Blazer vs leather jacket. It’s about flasher TRENCHCOAT vs leather jacket. When it’s -20 I’m not going to sit out there waiting for the van in my blazer. So the uniform policy allows for flasher coat, or leather coat. I know which one I’m picking!!

Plenty of Stranger Danger Easy Flasher Executive Beltess Jacket available for sale.

ItnStln 10-20-2018 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by wt7566 (Post 2694665)
not the gold framed classic aviators anymore....all the kool kids are wearing the retro wayfarers, apparently. 'Gubment paid for me to have some creepy looking prescription shades with square lenses 15 years ago so I'm sticking with them until they fall apart, although they aren't quite TOTD worthy.

You’re right, I’ve seen more people wearing wayfarers lately.

rickair7777 10-20-2018 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2694937)
You’re right, I’ve seen more people wearing wayfarers lately.

Millennial 80's infatuation. But not in a Don Henley way, more like Rick Astley.

ItnStln 10-20-2018 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2694943)
Millennial 80's infatuation. But not in a Don Henley way, more like Rick Astley.

I’ve been looking for new sunglasses and everything is either similar to the Wayfarers or aviators.

Hetman 10-20-2018 02:37 PM

I wear the coat that keeps me warm, I wear the sunglasses that shield my eyes. I have worn a beard, but found it to be uncomfortable so I shaved it off. I wear a $30 Timex watch that tells time just fine. I seek neither mirrors nor approval.

In others, slovenly bothers me, as does flamboyant, but not much else does.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Judge not.

ItnStln 10-20-2018 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 2694954)
I wear the coat that keeps me warm, I wear the sunglasses that shield my eyes. I have worn a beard, but found it to be uncomfortable so I shaved it off. I wear a $30 Timex watch that tells time just fine. I seek neither mirrors nor approval.

In others, slovenly bothers me, as does flamboyant, but not much else does.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Judge not.

Well said sir!

Droopy 10-21-2018 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2694946)
I’ve been looking for new sunglasses and everything is either similar to the Wayfarers or aviators.

These are the best sunglasses I've found...

https://tinyurl.com/dymbb3a

wt7566 10-21-2018 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2694943)
Millennial 80's infatuation. But not in a Don Henley way, more like Rick Astley.

https://giphy.com/gifs/olAik8MhYOB9K/html5

bonus, he also wears a trench coat in the video! And the lyrics are a perfect welcome aboard announcement lol

CBreezy 10-21-2018 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Droopy (Post 2695414)
These are the best sunglasses I've found...

https://tinyurl.com/dymbb3a

I haven't been Rick rolled since college. Well done.

trip 10-21-2018 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Droopy (Post 2695414)
These are the best sunglasses I've found...

https://tinyurl.com/dymbb3a

I knew better than to click on a tinyurl...

freezingflyboy 10-21-2018 06:43 PM

I've been rocking this look.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdthqkkW4AA5XKj?format=jpg

TransWorld 10-22-2018 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2695548)

Is the hat optional?

freezingflyboy 10-22-2018 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2695693)
Is the hat optional?

Not at Delta.

echelon 10-22-2018 10:04 AM

TOTD: anyone who hovers their hand over the flap handle and the gear lever. I'm not impressed that you too know the flap/gear speeds.

freezingflyboy 10-22-2018 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2695857)
TOTD: anyone who hovers their hand over the flap handle and the gear lever. I'm not impressed that you too know the flap/gear speeds.

How bout the opposite? The captain who completely destroys team unity with his demeanor and borderline condescension. At 2000 AGL (SOP gear dropping point at our shop) you say "Ready for the gear?" only to be rebuffed with a "Not yet. You'll know when I want it". At 1500 AGL another, less direct verbal reminder is ignored. Then as you mentally prepare for the go-around and just before the GPWS warning he realizes his mistake and starts screaming for the gear. Then when you get on the ground he turns it around on you for "inadequate monitoring" and "lack of assertiveness". :mad: :rolleyes:

echelon 10-22-2018 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2695864)
How bout the opposite? The captain who completely destroys team unity with his demeanor and borderline condescension. At 2000 AGL (SOP gear dropping point at our shop) you say "Ready for the gear?" only to be rebuffed with a "Not yet. You'll know when I want it". At 1500 AGL another, less direct verbal reminder is ignored. Then as you mentally prepare for the go-around and just before the GPWS warning he realizes his mistake and starts screaming for the gear. Then when you get on the ground he turns it around on you for "inadequate monitoring" and "lack of assertiveness". :mad: :rolleyes:

It's certainly a two way street. I treat everyone like they know what they're doing until they prove otherwise or the situation is almost to the point that it can't be unf---ed. "Hover handers" are treating people the opposite way and showing it in a very distracting way. From either seat.

rickair7777 10-22-2018 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2695857)
TOTD: anyone who hovers their hand over the flap handle and the gear lever. I'm not impressed that you too know the flap/gear speeds.

I'll do that if the other guy seems oblivious to the imminent need for gear, several flaps, and a checklist right about the time approach is going to give me some instructions and a handoff.

Al Czervik 10-22-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2695880)
I'll do that if the other guy seems oblivious to the imminent need for gear, several flaps, and a checklist right about the time approach is going to give me some instructions and a handoff.

Why don’t you ask? You like the “hint and hope” philosophy?

captjns 10-22-2018 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2695880)
I'll do that if the other guy seems oblivious to the imminent need for gear, several flaps, and a checklist right about the time approach is going to give me some instructions and a handoff.

Our SOP is to call approaching FAF. That’s a good jogger to finish the configuration process.

CanWeGetTheLeft 10-22-2018 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2695867)
It's certainly a two way street. I treat everyone like they know what they're doing until they prove otherwise or the situation is almost to the point that it can't be unf---ed. "Hover handers" are treating people the opposite way and showing it in a very distracting way. From either seat.

Totally agree. Far less distracting to sit silently until just before drastic measures must be taken than to have a guy’s hand someplace in the cockpit out of my line of sight.

Peoloto 10-22-2018 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2695864)
How bout the opposite? The captain who completely destroys team unity with his demeanor and borderline condescension. At 2000 AGL (SOP gear dropping point at our shop) you say "Ready for the gear?" only to be rebuffed with a "Not yet. You'll know when I want it". At 1500 AGL another, less direct verbal reminder is ignored. Then as you mentally prepare for the go-around and just before the GPWS warning he realizes his mistake and starts screaming for the gear. Then when you get on the ground he turns it around on you for "inadequate monitoring" and "lack of assertiveness". :mad: :rolleyes:

Have had that a few times here as well.

Also when the hand comes out, I purposefully (but safely) delay even further. I accidentally bugged a speed below a min speed the other day and the captain very calmly said after going slightly below "hey man how about some more flaps?" "DOH! Yes please" he replied with "almost had that perfect flight I was rootin for ya!" Great guy and handled my mess up the right way IMO.

symbian simian 10-22-2018 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2695857)
TOTD: anyone who hovers their hand over the flap handle and the gear lever. I'm not impressed that you too know the flap/gear speeds.


So I like looking outside, and I will leave my hand on the flap lever so I can extend/retract without having to go look for the handle. I think (hope?) most of the people I fly with get the point when I brief "if you fly, you fly. if I REALLY want something different, I will say something". If you fly with "hand-hover-as-a-hint" make them do something that requires them to move the hand. Also, definitely, hover back when they fly. Can still remember the guy getting really annoyed with me keeping my hand on the gear handle the whole 30 mile final, but it was worth it.
(I know, passive aggressive)

SideFlare 10-22-2018 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2696193)
So I like looking outside, and I will leave my hand on the flap lever so I can extend/retract without having to go look for the handle. I think (hope?) most of the people I fly with get the point when I brief "if you fly, you fly. if I REALLY want something different, I will say something". If you fly with "hand-hover-as-a-hint" make them do something that requires them to move the hand. Also, definitely, hover back when they fly. Can still remember the guy getting really annoyed with me keeping my hand on the gear handle the whole 30 mile final, but it was worth it.
(I know, passive aggressive)

It’s a two pilot concept. My hands are always ready to intercede, should the need arise. Why is this a bad thing?

flensr 10-23-2018 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by Peoloto (Post 2696163)
I accidentally bugged a speed below a min speed the other day and the captain very calmly said after going slightly below "hey man how about some more flaps?" "DOH! Yes please" he replied with "almost had that perfect flight I was rootin for ya!" Great guy and handled my mess up the right way IMO.

I like flying with Captains like that. Let me make my error and correct me with a helpful suggestion (before it goes anywhere bad) that gets me back out of the hole I just dug for myself. I've been lucky, flown with many many more good CAs than bad helping me out over the last couple of years.

labbats 10-23-2018 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by SideFlare (Post 2696206)
It’s a two pilot concept. My hands are always ready to intercede, should the need arise. Why is this a bad thing?

Because taking one second to move your hand from your lap to the gear lever or flap handle isn’t a safety concern.

captjns 10-23-2018 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by SideFlare (Post 2696206)
It’s a two pilot concept. My hands are always ready to intercede, should the need arise. Why is this a bad thing?

It’s an unnecessary babysitting distraction on behalf of the five striper Chuck Yeager type:rolleyes: in the left seat. Let the PF do his/her thing as long as its not a safety related or operational issue. If necessary, talk about issue on the ground after the Park Brake is set.

On the flip side of the coin, I was conducting line training with a new F/O. He gripped the Gear Lever before V1, to which I commanded, “Remove your hand from the G/L”. We discussed the matter once in cruise with the SOPs in hand. Once back at base, in briefing room, I had individual explained the importance of following SOPs, CRM and perils of uncommanded actions undertaken and or performed by the PM.

Acehole 10-23-2018 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2696193)
So I like looking outside, and I will leave my hand on the flap lever so I can extend/retract without having to go look for the handle. I think (hope?) most of the people I fly with get the point when I brief "if you fly, you fly. if I REALLY want something different, I will say something". If you fly with "hand-hover-as-a-hint" make them do something that requires them to move the hand. Also, definitely, hover back when they fly. Can still remember the guy getting really annoyed with me keeping my hand on the gear handle the whole 30 mile final, but it was worth it.
(I know, passive aggressive)

And you just won TOTD


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