Pretty sure he was, but don’t know his background.

Legitimate question because I literally do not know. If a scab is denied a JS from the CA, does that have problems with the union from a JSing point? Eg, can that CA be called in for a talk with management? With the union JS committee chairman?

It is no issue at all. The Jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Scabs can whine all they want. There is no requirement to take them. Management and Alpa both know this. Perhaps pre merger it was a different environment at CAL, but those days are long gone.

The airline guy on Denver Center today who yelled at the controller to "hurry up! I've got moderate turbulence!" when he was told to standby for coordination with the lower sector for the altitude request.

Student who shows up at the flight school wearing a military/Top Gun leather jacket.....for his flight in an Archer.

Flight instructor who openly discourages students love and passion for flying by commenting negatively on the students choice of apparel.

Unfortunately at my airline we have zero control over adding non revs, ever since Central Load Planning took over. If we were to get in an argument with the gate agents over it theyve been told to report us and we get to do a CP carpet dance where we are reminded "Your captains authority means nothing to us on the ground."

This isn't boot camp. I think it's funny that he did it. The only tool here is you.

Lighent up scm2020. Mom and Dad will give you a Top Gun Leather jacket when you graduate from Piper Warrior flight training.:rolleyes:

Perhaps they can keep standbys out of your hands, but the Feds say that the Jumpseat is yours. I would still make a cursory check in the boarding area if i were you, since so many agents will ignore our fellow pilots. The plane won’t leave without you, so it behooves the agents to do the right thing.

We have control over who sits in the jumpseat; we do not have control over getting stranded commuters on board. If I go to the gate and they say the flight is closed even though the JS is open, there's no doubt in my mind I'd face disciplinary action if I delayed the flight to try and get a JSer on board.

That's the way it is at Horizon, I'm sure Alaska is more or less the same. It's a joke working here.

The other problem is that our Q400s don't have jet bridges. We often have to hoof it to the terminal which can be a 10 minute trip in PDX/SEA.

I was the FO in LWS one morning when a nonrev FA informed us that the gate agents weren't letting on a SWA Jumpseater. I ran in, told them to put the delay on me if we were late, but to get him on. I used the restroom while in the terminal then went back out. We blocked out 1 min late... I got a call the next day from CP's office. That's Horizon for sure. I was asked specifically about the jumpseater. I claimed the delay was because I felt ill before push and had to use the airport bathroom, and just happened to see the SWA guy when I went in. I could hear the defeat in CP's voice after that answer.

I mean....they are really nice jackets. But perhaps the Navy API student wearing his to McGuire's in Pensacola on a Friday night in June 2004 was overdoing it just a bit. That being said I'm still chuckling at it 14 years later!

Little warm in FL that time of year :rolleyes:

Yeah but when you're that cool....hahaha

I nominate the passenger sitting next to me in the middle seat who decided it was a good time to floss his teeth.

A middle seat in business class?:D

Middle seat is prime opportunity to try out all those annoying behaviors that won't *quite* result in getting assaulted.

I’m nominating your airline, CP and any “Captain” that delegates decisions but won’t make his/her own, then blames his companies policy for leaving a fellow pilot behind.

This is so spot on it's almost sad 😂 Great description!!

We’re you hogging the armrest?

Riiiiight.......because I've always wanted to go 90 knots with my hair on fire...in a Warrior.

You might need it to race Knotcher on his dirt bike (just put the flaps up this time mmkay?)

If anything should be contagious, it should be resourcefulness like this! That and of course managers who know how to file petty phone calls like this under “Efff It”.

Save the Top Gun jackets for the ones that .....I don't know....actually serve in the military (or have served).

Bonus points if said person was involved in active combat.

no. The military does not get a monopoly on leather jackets with fuzzy collars. If a civilian wants to look like a douche he’s free to as well.

That's pretty lame. Most, if not all, civilian pilots back in the golden age of flying wore leather jackets with warm fuzzy liners. Because it worked. Military experience and combat had not a damned thing to do with wearing a leather jacket when flying. Any pilot who might experience weather or temperature extremes will be well prepared if they're wearing a leather flying jacket. Because that's what those jackets were designed for. Flying. Not military flying, but *flying*.

Prima donna wanna-be fighter pilots trying to tell young pilots what to wear, I tell you what...

The traditional brown leather flyer's jacket is issued by military aviation communities as a organizational clothing for esprit-de-corps purposes (the modern functional equivalent is a green synthetic parka jacket of very similar design).

So a modern military member wearing one (depending on time, place, and context) isn't necessarily "douchy", might just be enjoying a bit of living history that was issued to him. Same for a civilian, although wearing one with modern unit patches around an airport might hint of attempted valor theft.

Meh.....I would never do it, but some civilians adorn their jackets with patches as a tribute. If the patch is something that signifies an accomplishment or milestone, I would agree with you. I still have my dad’s squadron patches and various items. I would consider sewing one of his “phantom” patches on my flight bag because the F-4 is an awesome plane and I love it (but I certainly never flew one) I would never wear one of his ribbons or sew his “400 carrier landings” patch on, because I didn’t earn it. In my mind, there’s a difference. Not trying to start a mil versus civ argument, but “thinking military stuff is cool” isn’t the same as “stolen valor”. Not to say that it’s not tacky to sport patches you had no involvement with, for sure.

Patches of historical airplanes is cool IMO. Wearing patches of current/recent in-service planes around the airport might hint at poser. Especially combined with dress, haircut, etc. One of those "know it when you see it" things.

20-something Rocker-chick with piercings wearing a jacket with an F-14 patch at the FBO: Not poser.

40- ish dude with F-35 patch, dockers, loafers, crew-cut and 'Bans: Might be a poser. Or an F-35 pilot.

These are actual real-world examples observed by me recently.

Do pilots still wear ‘Bans?

The badass F-14 pilots of yesterday rock black tennis shoes with their uniform at my shop. Time gets everyone. Maverick’s drink of choice is now metamucil.

Right. Flying. In open cockpit biplanes. The sole reason for leather was protection against the slipstream. In that era, leather was the only material that was truly windproof. Unless you're flying an open cockpit aircraft, a leather jacket is pure adornment, and not particularly practical adornment. The uniform at my airline includes an A-2 jacket. I was issued one in indoc. It's hanging in a closet. I don't think I've ever worn it other than to try it on. A leather jacket is a pain to drag around on the road, it's heavy, it doesn't fold compactly, and above all, it's not particularly warm. If you're actually experiencing the lower range of those " temperature extremes " you cite, then a leather jacket is about the last thing you'd want to have. It used to crack me up seeing the Horizon pilots wandering around on a Deadhorse turn in the winter in their leather jackets, looking completely miserable, back when Horizon was flying in Alaska.



Look, if you choose to adorn yourself with a leather jacket because of the way it looks, or the image you think it gives you, and you value decoration over practicality, that's cool, knock yourself out. But, when you try to claim that a leather jacket is some sort of practical necessity, you've crossed over into la-la land.

And I must say. I think it’s funny that some on here are defending this student pilot for his choice in flightwear. But when he shows up for his first flight as a regional FO wearing the jacket in question........

If you're referring to my comments about the Horizon pilots, you've missed my point pretty badly. If a leather jacket is a part of your airline's uniform, well one can hardly fault you for wearing one. My point was that when it's actually cold, as it is in Deadhorse (which is on the Arctic coast) a leather jacket is a really poor choice for keeping your warm.

You’re holding a student pilot and an airline pilot to the same standards?

All I wore my first year and a half on the line, including 2 winters, was a leather jacket. Cuts the wind just fine and when combined with a watchcap and gloves I had no problems doing walk-arounds even with night winter turns in Chicago. Yea it got cold waiting for the dang hotel shuttle wearing just the leather jacket but perrone has the option to get the zip-in liner which makes the jacket a bunch warmer.

Plus the leather jacket looks cool. Haters are gonna hate but those guys probably like their airline hats too. Last time I wore a hat like that I was in a squadron busy killing bad people so my association with a uniform hat is more along the lines of killing people, not friendly customer service. There's just something cool and friendly about a pilot in a leather jacket, that is instantly recognizable. If you really insist that your pilot wear a double-breasted coat and wheel cap, some airlines charge about double the ticket price for that level of service. I'd rather look cool and be comfortable, smile all the way to the bank :)

“Cool” is a matter of perspective I suppose. You can keep looking cool in the silly leather jacket. I’ll keep looking classy and professional in my blazer.

So you're the guy! That hat looks snazzy too.

Wow pilots are so lame.