Yeah. Seems like a guy just sharing his experience on video. Aside from a slightly strange delivery, I don’t really get it.

Exactly, I had group of FAs get all kinds of upset because we didn’t wait for them. I said waiting just makes us all miss the van. If we go ahead just you ladies miss the van.

I hope you did not ask for food or drinks the next day.

There ya go... now that’s great team spirit we all strive for:rolleyes:

Which overnight?

So the van comes every 20 or 30 minutes. I’m supposed to wait at the gate for the FAs to unload the entire plane and walk down together and we all miss the van? Is that what we are saying?

Or I’m supposed to walk to the pickup area and when the van arrives on schedule I’m supposed to wave at the driver as he pulls away on schedule and stand on the curb for another 20-30 min because the FAs aren’t down there yet?

If it’s a hotel van and it’s on demand and there is a known Crew either your own or another that’s right behind you obviously you wait. This scenario is so rare outside of the villes and bergs of rj flying. Usually it’s a private car or the van is on a schedule in a big city. I was commenting on a post where the person said if the van is on a schedule they have no problem with the DH pilots getting off quick and catching the van without everyone else. I agreed and explained that I had FAs get upset in this scenario (I was not DH though). They thought I should’ve waited for them. For what reason? They know where to go and are adults. Why should We (the pilots) miss the van with them? Makes zero sense

Wow, ego much?

You obviously don't have any military training. In the Navy (and every other branch of the U.S. Armed Forces) you're taught that the Officers ALWAYS make sure the troops are taken care of BEFORE they look out for themselves.

Your F/As are your troops. As a Captain, I can see letting your F/O go on a scheduled van, but I'll be damned if I'd leave the F/As behind. Besides, every airline I ever worked for had the policy that if the van was more than 30 minutes late, taxis were authorized.

I've put the whole crew in taxis and paid for both. That's what leadership is all about. You should try it sometime.

We have different FAs literally every leg. Often some of them are based in the overnight city and some are going to the hotel. 9 out of 10 times we don’t even stay at the same hotel. I don’t need to get everyone’s story when we block in. We are a Crew when on the flight. At my airline the pilots are free to leave once the parking checklist is complete unless the plane needs to be shutdown. At that point I don’t have any obligation to 5-7 FAs that are probably all on different pairings.

And yes after 30min outside transportation is approved (pilots). Just last week after being held up with mx we arrived at the pick up area after the FAs. I asked if we stayed at the same hotel. They said yes and we just missed the van. I said I didn’t want to wait another 30min and was getting an uber Black. I asked if they wanted to join and they said yes. We proceeded to the ride share pickup area which was not near the hotel vans and waited for our driver. We arrived at the hotel the same time as we would have waiting for the next van.

Well said Commander. Seriously.

we're not in the military.

I enjoy camaraderie. I want my crew to believe that we are a team and we get on and off the jet at the same time. I take it as my responsibility to wait until the last passenger is off the jet before we collect ourselves and head towards immigration, and toddle off to the van collection zone for pickup. It’s inconvenient at times, but well worth the return and respect from my fellow crewmembers. 10, or 15 minutes delay to get to the hotel? Really?

It's a shame they don't make 'em like Packrat and captjns anymore....
(for the most part)....

And nearly beyond belief they make them like Qotsaautopilot. Nearly. Congratulations, my threshold of astonishment has been reset. I am usually amazed at what fails to surprise me anymore, but this... Good Lord!

I feel I should write more, but words truly fail me

It seems as if you guys work at airlines where the entire crew stays together. We don’t. Between the 5-7 of us there could be between 2-7 different pairings. We also usually say at different hotels from the FAs in the same city so it’s common to split and head for our private car and they do their own thing to get to their hotel with the lead FA being in charge if they are staying together.

In the few places we do stay at the hotel together it’s usually a Crew base so often they are going home or splitting up. It’s also usually a large city and the van runs on a schedule. In the situation where the FA gave me a hard time for not waiting I had no idea whether she was based there or overnighting. And it’s the same hotel in the same pickup location running on the same schedule it has been for years. Why do I need to babysit to the pickup site and then ride together to the sign in sheet. She (they) know where to go and we aren’t flying together tomorrow. I don’t walk with them to the Crew parking bus after a trip or pick them up at home before. What makes this any different?

And what camaraderie? Ever sat on a hotel van with a bunch of FAs complaining about passengers and the latest screwing by scheduling all in front of the driver and other riders. It’s embarrasing. I’d rather not. If we make it to the same bus great. If it’s on demand of course I won’t leave without and I’ll ask so make sure they are going to the hotel. If it’s on a schedule, see ya, I have no idea where they are going. Different FAs literally every leg. She was just looking for drama.

I also know I’m not in the minority because when I was a commuter it was always offline and by the time I got to the front to thank the pilots for the ride they were long gone almost always.

Simple question asked during the last leg regarding accomodations. I’m appreciative of the hard work up and down the aisles and FA/pax interface the cabin have to endure. I guess the way I’m treated by the cabin crew far outweighs the extra 10 to 15 minutes I may have to wait for the crew to collect make entries in their cabin logbook, and collect their bags. Some locations warrant different hotels too. I opt for one van. I like to make sure my cabin crew arrives safely at their hotel, and conversely the van picks my FO and RFO first then proceeds to pick our our cabin crew. Is it perfect arrangement? By all means no. But at least we as a crew are accounted for from beginning to the end of our duty day(s)... short to long layover too.

I look after deadheading crewmembers who may be staying at out our hotel(s) as well. I’ve found, during my 40+ years in the business, that showing consideration and compassion goes a long way.

Back in my RJ days, I would stand in the hallway at the open door while the FA checked her room for security. Kinda harder to do now with 9-11 FAs. Crew is crew.

Wow, what a valiant knight in shining armor! Did any of these adult people who practically live in hotel rooms ASK for you to be their doting, overprotective, babysitter?

Calm down. This was standard for years at my airline after a flight attendant was raped in her room by someone hiding in her closet.

Precicely.

It was a reference. Some things we do in this business are analogous to military concepts of command and leadership. Some airlines put their pilots in uniforms and insignia to make some of those concepts overt.

The Pilot-In-Command is in command.

The crew, even F/A's that I've only worked with for 1 leg who might be going to a different hotel fit within my first general order.

Since I set the pace of operation for the most part, I get to decide when WE are ready. To that end I'm the last one though KCM/security if we're going as a crew. If the aircraft is an RON, I'm the last crew member off. I don't get on the crew van until all crew members going with us are on. At the hotel, they all sign in before me so I can be sure the room count is right and everyone knows their pickup time - even if they're with another crew the next day. International, I give them the rally point. If anyone in the crew wants someone to wait in the hall while they check their room, I do it.

They're fellow employees! I'm proud of my profession and my company. I want both to succeed.

Maybe if I was an Italian cruise boat captain I'd bail out on my crew early, but I'm not.

At my previous airline, we had one of our FA get attacked and robbed. They put her on a DH with us the next morning. Our hotel was changed the next day.

It seems lately you're more likely to be attacked by a fellow crew member than Chester hiding the closet.

There, I fixed your typo for you.

Qotsaautopilot,

If your working FA's are going to the same hotel as you, wait and go as a crew. If you currently are flying an RJ, learn how to be a leader, because right now, you appear to have zero S.A. and leadership skills. DH's and other flights are on their own, but seek out the DH's heading to the same hotel as a courtesy.

If you can't figure out why going as a group is a good thing, find another career where you won't be bothered by such annoyances. The Industry will be better for it.

echelon, grow up.
It used to be common 20 years ago and not an attempt for a date. I don't do it anymore because it's more likely the clueless FA's of your generation will think I'm pulling a Weinstein.

Not sure if you noticed, but this isn't the Military sir.

Not sure if you noticed, but it is a leadership trait in any walk of life.

Lol.

#liar’slivesmattertoo

Thank you. Millenials: You can't eat them and you can't toss them overboard.

:rolleyes:

Yes some of them ask for it. Back in the day (before security cameras were everywhere) it was not at all unheard of for pervs to hide in FA rooms, especially in certain other countries.

Boom......

Did we watch the same video?

He looks/sounds high. He seems either to have partaken in leaves of a certain kind, has some issues up in the noggin, or just a general dbag. Can you picture this bro dude being your CA? Anyone coming across an individual like this is going to think this guy came from a crack house or a local party club. And shades in the hotel room.

…….disregard

Millenials: those that complain about them the most...PROBABLY RASIED 'EM! :eek:

Boomers :rolleyes:

Boomers. The single most narcissistic, parasitic, self-centered, megalomaniac generation this country has ever seen. The whole world will be a better place when they are all dead.

Wow... major issues here, I’d say.

Is that comment really that much worse than the pretty consistent millennial hating that goes on around here?

I say it was tantamount to Hannibal Lecter wanting to have you for dinner one night this week.

Parents of boomers hated their hippie generation offspring and let everyone know it.
It’s human nature for these boomers to hate whoever was coming behind them.