This. The plane doesn't go anywhere without the concurrence of both pilots. Don't be a douche. Acknowledge, introduce yourself and thank both pilots.

[QUOTE=tizzizzailslf04;2571184]What people are geting at is why not just always treat both pilots with the same courtesy regardless of rank? It's very telling that that hasn't even crossed your mind...lol

Yeah. That’s why I filed a ToolSAP report. And a douche check too.

Regional FO here. I’ve had plenty of jumpseaters that did not even acknowledge me while asking for a ride. On the other hand, I’ve had captains who barely acknowledge the jumpseater who has a seat in the back, but came up to say hi. Is common courtesy that hard?

I acknowledge both crew members and shake both of their hands. I also thank THEM for the ride. It’s just common decency.

This is the way!!

That's a good way to spread germs. I just bow.

Its 2018 is there any reason to "check-in" with the crew while not on the jumpseat anyway?

If you request a jumpseat, and the agent gives you a seat in back via that privilege, check in with the flight crew. Introduce yourself, hand the captain your credentials and your boarding pass, and ASK if you may ride along.

Seems like ancestor worship. By getting a seat in the back I've basically already been given permission to ride along. Just seems like an unnecessary practice in this day and age.

You aren't given anything. You don't have a right to be on the airplane whether or not a gate agent allowed you to sit in the seat. The Jumpseat is an agreement between you and the Captain. He is within every right to not allow you to board regardless whether you were given a seat or not.

When I’m a captain, I hope to never see a single person come up to the cockpit that has a seat in the back. Waste of everyone’s time.

Tell me one good reason you need someone to come kiss your ass?
If it’s in the FOM then great we can all high five, if not then get over yourself. You’re a bus driver that’s a captain by seniority only.

The jumpseat I agree. But not the seats in the back.

Making everyone bend the knee to get a ride and go through all the pointless banter thay goes along with it old fashioned, unnecessary and a waste of everyone's time.

Fixed it for you.

Newbie’s “Entitled to the World” attidude :rolleyes:

It might seem old fashioned to some of the millennial riddle brats, but that’s the way it is. Jumpseating is a privilege and it’s common courtesy to ask the CA for a ride. Most of the time it’s “hello” (I D check) “welcome aboard”. And as the skipper, it’s nice to know someone is back there to help if needed.

Yeah I’m tired of saying please pass the salt and thank you for doing the dishes to my wife. So tiresome and antiquated. I’ll just stop.

IMHO, this attitude contributes - if somewhat distantly - to the decrease in civility, mutual respect, and general politeness in our society.

How would you feel if your wife didn't thank you for doing the dishes? When (and if :rolleyes:) you do them.

The only reason you have the seat is BECAUSE of the agreement. If you got the seat because of a jumpseat agreement, you should check in. I’ve never once felt like I was wasting anyones time doing so, quite the opposite actually.
As a commuter the last few years some of these post and attitudes are very concerning.
We had two jumpseaters awarded seats in the back the other day, our A flight attendant asked if they checked in. They had not, Capt and I had no clue. After everybody had boarded without our knowledge the FA used the PA and called them both up to the cockpit. Capt and I couldn’t stop laughing, was this necessary no, did it prove a great point? Yes!

Haha oh man you have me in stitches

You might just consider that but for a lot of effort on the part of those ancestors you deride you would not be riding the jumpseat at all. It’s common courtesy to check in.

Unless I’m missing something, your sarcasm detector appears to be busted.

The problem is when that same person jumpseats on the next flight and the captain goes ballistic because you didn’t check in.

Floobs, this has nothing to do with bending a knee or some kind of power trip. It's all about PIC authority and the continuing attempt by management, gate agents and other outside groups to diminish and undercut that authority. We continue to successfully defend it, but that's far more difficult to do when we willingly give it up through apathy or ignorance.

It appears you're at AA and not an ALPA carrier. Perhaps APA doesn't take the issue of PIC authority as seriously as ALPA, but it's a pretty big deal here. Maybe you don't jumpseat off line, but if you do so on ALPA carriers, you might want to reconsider your attitude. Here's a link to the ALPA jumpseat guide: http://www.jumpseatinfo.org/LinkClic...=1283&mid=3170

I don't know if there's a similar document published by APA, but I couldn't find it. I'll provide a few excerpts below for you to consider.

New technology and the integration of security and boarding systems and procedures have combined to hamper PIC authority regarding flight deck and cabin access by jumpseaters. Proper use of the flight deck jumpseat is a time-honored enhancement to safety and security that must remain under the control of the PIC. We urge all PICs to review and decide upon each jumpseat request and not delegate that authority to any other individual.

The PIC of the aircraft also serves as the In-Flight Security Coordinator (ISC) per TSA regulations. As a critical link in the security chain, captains have the responsibility to verify each jumpseater’s identity and authority to occupy a flight deck jumpseat. When a jumpseat request is made, whether for a seat in the cabin or in the flight deck, the PIC is responsible for performing the following procedures:

1. Verifying company ID by means of face/name match
2. Verifying FAA flight and medical certificates
3. Verifying Cockpit Access Security System (CASS) approval
4. Briefing the jumpseater on any relevant items.

Most, but not all, airlines allow multiple jumpseat riders when unoccupied cabin seats are available. By regulation, the captain makes the final decisions, not the gate agent or CASS. Due consideration of union affiliation may also be recognized when conflicts arise.

In other words - If you, Floobs, show up for a jumpseat on a UAL flight and it comes down to either you or a Delta guy getting the last seat on the aircraft, the Captain can (and should) pick the Delta ALPA member over you - regardless of who showed up at the gate first.

He doesn't get that chance to make that call unless he's in the loop and aware of who is riding on his aircraft. Number one, he needs to be proactive and not relinquish his authority like Deadseal pathetically plans to do if he upgrades. But, part of that is you having the expected courtesy of requesting the jumpseat and presenting your credentials for his approval.

Finally, there's this last excerpt:

Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if given a seat assignment and occupying a cabin seat; never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require that the captain authorize you and know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. If in the cabin, protocol requires non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and also deplane last.

Sigh....I guess common courtesy isn't common anymore!

The attitudes on here are mind-boggling!:rolleyes:

I see it the same way. On the other hand, if I'm listed as a ZED then no, I don't check in.

Common courtesy died out a while back it would appear.

My company buys me full fare tickets and I still check in with the flight deck and introduce myself to the lead F/A. Its nice to know you have at least one trained ABP in the back.

You need to get more sunlight....

I do if I won't get in anyone's way. But not a big deal either way, if they need a pilot bad enough they'll ask for one over the PA.

Doesn’t make sense to introduce yourself as the pilot that’s drinking beer in business class.

As a full fare pax, on my company’s quid, I’ll say “Hey” to the cabin crew entering the aircraft, identify myself as an ABP, take my seat and await for a plethora of breadsticks and cognac;). Oh wait. We don’t get eight her of those on U.S. carriers.:(

The Norwegian Air scum that had the audacity to put Babe Ruth on the tail of one of their 787’s.

Aren't they about to go under?

I hope so.

Norwegian has three employee workgroups:
Norwegian Air Shuttle
Norwegian Long Haul
...and the infamous Norwegian Air Intl.

They are currently all Nordic/Euro Pilots, under those respective labor rules. The last one, NAI, only flies 737s. The current 787s you see flying today are Norwegian LH pilots. They have been are fighting their mgmt over scope and don’t want to see 787s given to the NAI workgroup either. In fact all the Ireland registered AC have been re-registered in Norway or UK, meaning the NAI we fought to deny, has in fact died.

If you want something to be mad at, check our what Swiss did with their new 777s—They gave them to their regional partner to operate, how bout that. They fly them to the US too.

Yup. The TOTD is the MGT schmuck that had the idea of the business model and put him on the tail.

You have a link to info on the Swiss deal?

NAI actually didn't get 787 so the ones in fll I see aren't the bad guys.... oops

Exactly. I share that piece because a lot of people paint all Norwegian planes and crews with the same paint brush. If only we spent those same efforts fixing our own internal scope issues (regional airlines).

Look up “Swiss Global Airlines” and “Swiss Intl Air Lines”. Wikipedia should tell it all.

I have never "checked in" with the flight crew of an flight on whcih I'm a ticked passenger. Why on earth would they care? I'm just another passenger. I'm not special because I happen to be a pilot.