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Originally Posted by teddyballgame
(Post 2351159)
did you all notice this particular sentence from the written story accompanying the video?
the incident started on the plane, when the passenger said the pilot was taking up too much room in the aisle and being disrespectful, the police report says. i think we can all envision how this scenario may have played out in the cabin. It is common professional courtesy -- and even written policy at some airlines -- that non-revs and dher's deplane last, after all the paying customers. I can't count the number of times i have seen crewmembers sitting mid-cabin jump up, take their several bags out of the overheads on both sides of the aisle, and build their bomb stack right there in the middle of the aisle, holding up 50 paying passengers who are trying to deplane. Admittedly, if i am close to check-in time, or running like hell for my bus home, i will step into the aisle to retrieve my stuff from the bins; but only when there is a break in the action upstream. And then, if i see a passenger approaching me, i step back into the seat area to let him or her by, before continuing to gather my belongings. In this situation, the pilot's wife was waiting for him curbside. I don't think it would have killed either of them to wait an extra five minutes to let all the passengers deplane first. Again, this is all speculation on my part, but from years of observation, i can guess what might have happened. Nonetheless, any physical assault on any other human being, other than in self-defense, is unacceptable. And that includes the pilot's whacking the passenger's hand and knocking his phone out of it, although i agree that the attempt by the passenger to photograph the pilot's badge was indeed a security violation. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ totd |
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 1170266)
I like when they shine the black light on the ID. I asked one what she was looking for when they do that. The response, "I really dont know, we just do it to look official."
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I'd like to nominate the Alaska pilot who clearly had some anger issues with center last week. Seattle was a mess, so all of the arrivals were getting slowed down and vectored to burn off 7-10 minute metering delays.
Captain Rage was clearly having none of this, and started badgering the controller with stuff like "Am I behind a slow-tation"? "Can he pick it up?" "Can we resume normal speed?" every 30 seconds, despite the fact that every single airplane on the frequency was getting slowed and turned. |
Originally Posted by cactusflyer
(Post 2354439)
I'd like to nominate the Alaska pilot who clearly had some anger issues with center last week. Seattle was a mess, so all of the arrivals were getting slowed down and vectored to burn off 7-10 minute metering delays.
Captain Rage was clearly having none of this, and started badgering the controller with stuff like "Am I behind a slow-tation"? "Can he pick it up?" "Can we resume normal speed?" every 30 seconds, despite the fact that every single airplane on the frequency was getting slowed and turned. They would reply: "Alaska xxxx cleared direct the field, maintain best forward, copy this number xxx-xxx-xxxx, I want details!!!!" See? Easy... |
True story, just happened.
The ramper who met my airplane on an overnight trip (we had just arrived, and were scheduled to take the same plane out again at oh-dark-thirty) who accosted me as I deplaned, saying "You got a serious airworthiness problem." I followed him to the rear of the aircraft, where he pointed to a very small dent in the engine cowl. Good catch, but I pointed out to him the daub of yellow paint highlighting the dent, which is an indication by our MX department that the dent has been reviewed by MX and signed off as airworthy. I'd seen that dent earlier in the day; that yellow paint tells us it's OK to fly. I explained this to the ramper, but he refused to accept it. "This airplane is unairworthy." I responded, "Well, why don't you just go tell that to my captain, 'cause she's going to disagree with you, and she's the final authority as to the operation of this aircraft." He proceeds to do this, and gets the same answer. Not to be denied, he says "I'm going to have to report this to the FAA." We told him to go right ahead, and we went to the hotel. An hour or two later, in the middle of the night, my CA gets a call from our MX department asking what the heck this ramper is up to. He apparently called our HDQ and made a huge stink about pilots who were flying an unairworthy aircraft. He may have actually called the FAA, too. Where do they find these people?!? :mad: |
Oh man. Gotta love those rampers that know more about the airplane than those of us who fly them. Had a guy pull that back in my RJ days. He points out a dent near the boarding door during an outstation turn. I'd noticed the same dent leaving the hub earlier and we had called mx and sure enough, the dent was known to mx and had been catalogued. I explain all this to our aviation hero and proceed to finish my walk around.
A few minutes later our hero appears in the cockpit to tell us that contract mx should arrive within an hour and they were going to hold off boarding. Of course this is greeted by a couple of "wtfs!?" from the captain and myself. Turns out this guy had gone over our heads, called MAINLINE hq who had called out contract mx and threw a fit at our company's mx guys. Maybe 15 minutes later the captain's phone rings and it's the director of flight ops wanting to know what the hell is going on. Needless to say, a goat rope ensued and we took about a four hour delay while hands were wringed and asses were covered. All to reach the conclusion we had reached before ever leaving the hub: the dent was known, documented and the aircraft was indeed airworthy. Where do they find these guys indeed. :rolleyes: |
TOTD to the oblivious business traveler who sidled up to the urinal next to me and parked his rolling briefcase 12 inches behind me while I was taking a leak, thereby causing me to nearly crack my skull open on the hard floor as I stumbled over it when I backed away from the commode. :mad:
The loud ruckus and astounded "are you kidding me?!" that escaped my lips didn't even cause this guy to flinch. And being in CLT, there was only about another 200 people in the restroom to see it all happen. I haven't wanted to try out the Leonidas 300 kick that badly in a long time. Maybe he thought I was a UA pilot?? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 2357052)
Oh man. Gotta love those rampers that know more about the airplane than those of us who fly them. Had a guy pull that back in my RJ days. He points out a dent near the boarding door during an outstation turn. I'd noticed the same dent leaving the hub earlier and we had called mx and sure enough, the dent was known to mx and had been catalogued. I explain all this to our aviation hero and proceed to finish my walk around.
A few minutes later our hero appears in the cockpit to tell us that contract mx should arrive within an hour and they were going to hold off boarding. Of course this is greeted by a couple of "wtfs!?" from the captain and myself. Turns out this guy had gone over our heads, called MAINLINE hq who had called out contract mx and threw a fit at our company's mx guys. Maybe 15 minutes later the captain's phone rings and it's the director of flight ops wanting to know what the hell is going on. Needless to say, a goat rope ensued and we took about a four hour delay while hands were wringed and asses were covered. All to reach the conclusion we had reached before ever leaving the hub: the dent was known, documented and the aircraft was indeed airworthy. Where do they find these guys indeed. :rolleyes: |
Today’s tool is some RJ hotshot captain-wannabe in Charlotte who used the middle urinal despite a full row of empty ones. He’s standing real close to the porcelain so despite a really big watch he probably has real small equipment. Probably a -145 driver. I have to squeeze past this guy to use the urinal near the wall, so I had to put my fine alligator-skin Coach bag on the far wall. The tool finishes emptying his 2 ounce bladder and backs up without looking and belly flops, almost cracking his skull on the tile, flailing around like a turtle on his back.
He's all like "are you kidding me? I know Kung Fu! You're just passenger but I fly the plane!" He then flips me the bird. Everybody is laughing at captain Klutz who bolts out without even washing his hands. Maybe he works for United. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by cardiomd
(Post 2358092)
Today’s tool is some RJ hotshot captain-wannabe in Charlotte who used the middle urinal despite a full row of empty ones. He’s standing real close to the porcelain so despite a really big watch he probably has real small equipment. Probably a -145 driver. I have to squeeze past this guy to use the urinal near the wall, so I had to put my fine alligator-skin Coach bag on the far wall. The tool finishes emptying his 2 ounce bladder and backs up without looking and belly flops, almost cracking his skull on the tile, flailing around like a turtle on his back.
He's all like "are you kidding me? I know Kung Fu! You're just passenger but I fly the plane!" He then flips me the bird. Everybody is laughing at captain Klutz who bolts out without even washing his hands. Maybe he works for United. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 2357052)
Oh man. Gotta love those rampers that know more about the airplane than those of us who fly them. Had a guy pull that back in my RJ days. He points out a dent near the boarding door during an outstation turn. I'd noticed the same dent leaving the hub earlier and we had called mx and sure enough, the dent was known to mx and had been catalogued. I explain all this to our aviation hero and proceed to finish my walk around.
A few minutes later our hero appears in the cockpit to tell us that contract mx should arrive within an hour and they were going to hold off boarding. Of course this is greeted by a couple of "wtfs!?" from the captain and myself. Turns out this guy had gone over our heads, called MAINLINE hq who had called out contract mx and threw a fit at our company's mx guys. Maybe 15 minutes later the captain's phone rings and it's the director of flight ops wanting to know what the hell is going on. Needless to say, a goat rope ensued and we took about a four hour delay while hands were wringed and asses were covered. All to reach the conclusion we had reached before ever leaving the hub: the dent was known, documented and the aircraft was indeed airworthy. Where do they find these guys indeed. :rolleyes: Wouldn't be in KELM would it? There is one of those guys there, even measures tire tread depth and looks for cuts. Wish I was kidding... |
Originally Posted by cardiomd
(Post 2358092)
blah blah blah
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
(Post 2358092)
Today’s tool is some RJ hotshot captain-wannabe in Charlotte who used the middle urinal despite a full row of empty ones. He’s standing real close to the porcelain so despite a really big watch he probably has real small equipment. Probably a -145 driver. I have to squeeze past this guy to use the urinal near the wall, so I had to put my fine alligator-skin Coach bag on the far wall. The tool finishes emptying his 2 ounce bladder and backs up without looking and belly flops, almost cracking his skull on the tile, flailing around like a turtle on his back.
He's all like "are you kidding me? I know Kung Fu! You're just passenger but I fly the plane!" He then flips me the bird. Everybody is laughing at captain Klutz who bolts out without even washing his hands. Maybe he works for United. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by cardiomd
(Post 2358092)
Today’s tool is some RJ hotshot captain-wannabe in Charlotte who used the middle urinal despite a full row of empty ones. He’s standing real close to the porcelain so despite a really big watch he probably has real small equipment. Probably a -145 driver. I have to squeeze past this guy to use the urinal near the wall, so I had to put my fine alligator-skin Coach bag on the far wall. The tool finishes emptying his 2 ounce bladder and backs up without looking and belly flops, almost cracking his skull on the tile, flailing around like a turtle on his back.
He's all like "are you kidding me? I know Kung Fu! You're just passenger but I fly the plane!" He then flips me the bird. Everybody is laughing at captain Klutz who bolts out without even washing his hands. Maybe he works for United. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by teddyballgame
(Post 2351159)
Did you all notice this particular sentence from the written story accompanying the video?
The incident started on the plane, when the passenger said the pilot was taking up too much room in the aisle and being disrespectful, the police report says. I think we can all envision how this scenario may have played out in the cabin. It is common professional courtesy -- and even written policy at some airlines -- that non-revs and DHer's deplane last, after all the paying customers. I can't count the number of times I have seen crewmembers sitting mid-cabin jump up, take their several bags out of the overheads on both sides of the aisle, and build their bomb stack right there in the middle of the aisle, holding up 50 paying passengers who are trying to deplane. Admittedly, if I am close to check-in time, or running like hell for my bus home, I will step into the aisle to retrieve my stuff from the bins; but only when there is a break in the action upstream. And then, if I see a passenger approaching me, I step back into the seat area to let him or her by, before continuing to gather my belongings. In this situation, the pilot's wife was waiting for him curbside. I don't think it would have killed either of them to wait an extra five minutes to let all the passengers deplane first. Again, this is all speculation on my part, but from years of observation, I can guess what might have happened. Nonetheless, any physical assault on any other human being, other than in self-defense, is unacceptable. And that includes the pilot's whacking the passenger's hand and knocking his phone out of it, although I agree that the attempt by the passenger to photograph the pilot's badge was indeed a security violation. Any chance the pilots in uniform are fractional pilots that are on last minute, one way, and refundable tickets? |
Wankel,
I was referring to crewmembers wearing company uniforms. My apologies for not making that clearer. |
Originally Posted by teddyballgame
(Post 2359608)
Wankel,
I was referring to crewmembers wearing company uniforms. My apologies for not making that clearer. :) |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 2357052)
Oh man. Gotta love those rampers that know more about the airplane than those of us who fly them. Had a guy pull that back in my RJ days. He points out a dent near the boarding door during an outstation turn. I'd noticed the same dent leaving the hub earlier and we had called mx and sure enough, the dent was known to mx and had been catalogued. I explain all this to our aviation hero and proceed to finish my walk around.
A few minutes later our hero appears in the cockpit to tell us that contract mx should arrive within an hour and they were going to hold off boarding. Of course this is greeted by a couple of "wtfs!?" from the captain and myself. Turns out this guy had gone over our heads, called MAINLINE hq who had called out contract mx and threw a fit at our company's mx guys. Maybe 15 minutes later the captain's phone rings and it's the director of flight ops wanting to know what the hell is going on. Needless to say, a goat rope ensued and we took about a four hour delay while hands were wringed and asses were covered. All to reach the conclusion we had reached before ever leaving the hub: the dent was known, documented and the aircraft was indeed airworthy. Where do they find these guys indeed. :rolleyes: |
I nominate Robert Fornaro and John Bendoraitis (sounds like a disease)
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Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 2360086)
KJAX by any chance? We're you my FO? I had an amazingly similar situation where after the FO finished his post flight walk around he comes up and says "ramper wants to talk to you". Ok. Hey Capt, you got a little dent back here! I'll go ahead and call mtx for ya! At least im pretty sure it was for a dent, whatever it was was either in the dent log or MELd anyways and I tell the ramper no need to. So as im checking into the hotel my phone explodes from maintenance control, dispatch etc telling me to go back to the plane because I forgot to write something up.
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Originally Posted by CanoePilot
(Post 1589760)
Thankfully those days are over and knowing what kind of blots hold the engine on the pylon is useless info. Training is more practical in this day in age and not ego driven by a few eggheads in the training department.
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 2357052)
Oh man. Gotta love those rampers that know more about the airplane than those of us who fly them. Had a guy pull that back in my RJ days. He points out a dent near the boarding door during an outstation turn. I'd noticed the same dent leaving the hub earlier and we had called mx and sure enough, the dent was known to mx and had been catalogued. I explain all this to our aviation hero and proceed to finish my walk around.
A few minutes later our hero appears in the cockpit to tell us that contract mx should arrive within an hour and they were going to hold off boarding. Of course this is greeted by a couple of "wtfs!?" from the captain and myself. Turns out this guy had gone over our heads, called MAINLINE hq who had called out contract mx and threw a fit at our company's mx guys. Maybe 15 minutes later the captain's phone rings and it's the director of flight ops wanting to know what the hell is going on. Needless to say, a goat rope ensued and we took about a four hour delay while hands were wringed and asses were covered. All to reach the conclusion we had reached before ever leaving the hub: the dent was known, documented and the aircraft was indeed airworthy. Where do they find these guys indeed. :rolleyes: "Hey Cap, looks like you have a dent in the right wing! If you put your head against the leading edge about 5 feet from the wingtip and look outboard while aligning the reflected sunlight at just the right angle then close one eye completely and the other partially you'll find a hairline scratch about an inch long. Don't worry if you don't see it at first, it took me about 5 tries to find it myself!!! Anyway we've already taken pictures of it to send to mainline and we're gonna hold boarding until Buster, the owner, operator, and on-call A&P from Buster's School of Flying, finishes duct-taping the wingtip back onto his 172 and can come over to take a look..." |
I'd like to nominate Spirit Airlines for blaming their pilots' not picking up open time as reason for cancelling their flights.
Nobody HAS to pick up open time. |
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 2360086)
KJAX by any chance? We're you my FO? I had an amazingly similar situation where after the FO finished his post flight walk around he comes up and says "ramper wants to talk to you". Ok. Hey Capt, you got a little dent back here! I'll go ahead and call mtx for ya! At least im pretty sure it was for a dent, whatever it was was either in the dent log or MELd anyways and I tell the ramper no need to. So as im checking into the hotel my phone explodes from maintenance control, dispatch etc telling me to go back to the plane because I forgot to write something up.
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Originally Posted by terminal
(Post 2360806)
I'd like to nominate Spirit Airlines for blaming their pilots' not picking up open time as reason for cancelling their flights.
Nobody HAS to pick up open time. |
Originally Posted by terminal
(Post 2360806)
I'd like to nominate Spirit Airlines for blaming their pilots' not picking up open time as reason for cancelling their flights.
Nobody HAS to pick up open time. |
I nominate this author. This is not going to end well. Look out for your crew members guys.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...ion/101426912/ Bravo to a brave male passenger who confronted the American Airlines bully (aka flight attendant) who hassled a woman with a baby on Flight 591, from San Francisco to Dallas-Fort Worth on April 21. Just when I was beginning to be worried about the notable absence of passenger solidarity in support of David Dao on that United Airlines flight, along comes Sir Galahad to renew my faith that chivalry is not dead. Unfortunately, that courageous traveler seems to be the exception. Witness the latest episode of passenger abuse aboard a Delta flight from Hawaii last month. The viral video shows the poor husband/father being hassled by both cabin crew and security officers. He has to deal with these authorities on his own, with no other passengers coming to his aid. |
I elect Frontier Airlines who does their drug screening at an out station. Nothing like finishing flying for the day and all crewmembers on the van when a Frontier crew shows up and has everyone continue waiting for Frontier crewmember to complete a drug test. Very inconsiderate.
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
(Post 2365079)
I elect Frontier Airlines who does their drug screening at an out station. Nothing like finishing flying for the day and all crewmembers on the van when a Frontier crew shows up and has everyone continue waiting for Frontier crewmember to complete a drug test. Very inconsiderate.
"Go ahead guys, I'll grab a cab (and expense it later) when I get done. See you at the hotel." |
Screening after misses the whole point.
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Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 2365298)
Screening after misses the whole point.
No it doesn't, you're missing the point. The point is to not to delay revenue operations by screening crew before/during duty periods. Won't matter for drugs, they stay in your system for at least a day or two. |
Believe it or not, I've been screened for alcohol in SEA after a layover in MIA and a 5.5 hour flight home. Now that was a head scratcher.
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I'll nominate my crash pad buddy that hits his snooze button on his phone multiple times before getting his @ss out of bed at oh-dark-thirty. Total Tool.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2365339)
No it doesn't, you're missing the point. The point is to not to delay revenue operations by screening crew before/during duty periods.
Won't matter for drugs, they stay in your system for at least a day or two. |
Originally Posted by FliesInSoup
(Post 2365474)
I'll nominate my crash pad buddy that hits his snooze button on his phone multiple times before getting his @ss out of bed at oh-dark-thirty. Total Tool.
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Originally Posted by FliesInSoup
(Post 2365474)
I'll nominate my crash pad buddy that hits his snooze button on his phone multiple times before getting his @ss out of bed at oh-dark-thirty. Total Tool.
Now tell it to him face to face or deal with it indefinitely. Welcome to grown up world. |
Originally Posted by labbats
(Post 2365642)
Yes he is a tool.
Now tell it to him face to face or deal with it indefinitely. Welcome to grown up world. |
ExpressJet guy may or may not be a "tool", but definitely a Nut Job.
Man arrested after removing transgender woman?s testicles in Denver home ? The Denver Post :D |
Originally Posted by skypest
(Post 2366762)
ExpressJet guy may or may not be a "tool", but definitely a Nut Job.
Man arrested after removing transgender woman?s testicles in Denver home ? The Denver Post :D |
Have to wonder what other surgeries this guy did.
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