I think the most toolish part: I'm Captain tool and joining me is First Officer collateral and between us we have over 45 million hours of flight time and 2 centuries of flying experience. (Paraphrased to make it sound the way I took it).

No need. You're not a tool for being pi$$ed about the guard shenanigans.

Yes, it would have. I wonder if he would have offered you a ride up front after you shared your judgmental views with him.

Oh please, Mr Tool. You're saying you like every guy you've asked for a Jumpseat. No? Hypocrite.

This has turned into a hillarious conversation. I'm sure there are plenty of us that have occupied the jump seat of captain tool and have been professional enough (and wanted to get home enough) to keep our opinions to ourselves. I've got some epic stories that I'll keep to myself of feeling like a cheap hooker for sucking up to collosal DBs to get home

The Ameriflight pilot who came up and said "Hey guys I'm with Ameriflight, I got a seat in the back." The CA and I looked at each other was speechless. All the CA said was "You're more than welcome but you still have to ask."

Depends on what airline. There are some that don't require a Captain approval to sit in a seat.

It's still the polite and respectful thing to do. As I said to one guy who was an a$$ when I checked in up front despite having been given a seat in the back "I would rather have you know and not care than care and not know".

Even a stoopit FA like me knows you check in with the pilots or follow what the lead FA tells you to do after you introduce to him or her.

Correct, but the Captain, in this instance, was wrong. He doesn't have to ask for permission. He doesn't own the flowback seats, the gate does.

Cool story, bro. Far be it from a pilot to actually be personable and try to engage the passengers.

If you're jumpseating, check in up front. It's at the least the respectful thing to do... at most carriers it is still required (as it should be if you're the least bit mindful of history).

Oh, you millenials...

I'm not saying he shouldn't check in. I'm saying that the captain was a tool for giving him grief for not asking with cherries on top. Don't be a D. Treat him like a human being.

And, yes, it is lame to put on a show in the gate area. You have an opportunity to great the passengers at the door while boarding or making an announcement or even, as I've seen done, giving a little brief every 10 rows. Whatever, you're the king in the tube for the day. It seems a little neurotic doing it in the gate area.

Jeez.. What ever happened to manners?

No he's not, the pilot was required to fill out a JS form, and had to get the CA to sign it. If he didn't feel like "asking" he's more than welcome to buy a ZED and go straight to his seat.

Do you think it was appropriate when the guy just said "I'm with xxx airline I got a seat in the back" and just hands the CA a JS for to sign with no "my name is....." To me it sounds like " Hey I'm JSing, sign this"

Not a millennial. Try again.

Got that beat, 135 freight dude comes up and says "I'm up here with you". I've never heard of his company so I look it up in the FOM. Nope, no recip.

"But I've got CASS, so I'm good".

I told him if he could talk the gate into giving him a seat in the back, he was welcome to it but not up front if he's not on the list.

"But it was sold out, my company couldn't buy me a seat so they told me to JS to my next position."

:rolleyes:

Sounds like he need a lesson on how not to let the company bend him over.

Dang really? I always ask. If im positive space, ile just go sit. Nonrev or JS ile check in, unless its clear that doing so would be a bad call. Gotta read the situation. But most of the time stopping by and saying hi is taken well.

As for guys that say "im riding up here with you" I believe they need a clue. Not very polite. And yes what has happened to manners these days?

He's a freightdog... bent over is his normal position. :D

(Yes, I was one too.)

Edward N. Foster

Watch: Passenger shoves pilot at Kansas City International Airport

Tool Edward was feeling enabled by the wave of public sentiment in Dr. Dao's favor, probably hoping to be the next social media phenom by calling out the pilot on video (sticking a phone in somebody's personal space might constitute assault though).

Word to the wise, this sort of situation can *usually* be diffused by the crew member before it gets to this point. Didn't see what led up to it, so no way to know in this case.

But do us all a favor, press for charges in this sort of situation (even if your employer prefers otherwise). Gotta draw the line somewhere.

Where were the TSA? Or the dozens of overweight cops that hang around airports?

This is why you change your shirt when commuting.

Agreed. Looks like it'll be open season since airline management has shown it will cave and doesn't want to be the bad guy.

Look at the video again.....

Thanks for the professional courtesy.
I always check the standby list pre departure to protect the JS's and other standbys from getting screwed. I flew a 5 hour redeye transcon, at the gate, I saw that a UAL Pilot and a UAL FA were assigned center coach seats.

The UAL pilot came up and introduced himself, politely asked for a ride and we had a friendly conversation for a couple of minutes. I knew the pax load and told him to wait until final boarding. Once that was done, I gave him one of the 2 open First Class seats.

The UAL FA? She boarded and didn't have time to asked for a ride or hear me say that I appreciate having extra trained crewmembers onboard. She also didn't get to hear me offer her the other First Class seat. I had the #1 FA inform her on descent that next time, her odds of sitting in FC all night might improve with a little professional courtesy.

Another pax behaving badly.
.Looks like San Antonio..airline unknown. She sounds like Wanda Sykes!

This only took less than 2 weeks since the infamous ual incident. Open season.you friends..open season.

I'd post the link but don't know how. :o

*+^>ing ridiculous! And this guy's not going to press charges?! He needs to for the sake of all airline crew.

Maybe he didn't handle it like a professional and exacerbated the situation with the pax. I find it incredibly hard to believe, that with the proper decorum and self control, an adult could not diffuse the situation, and/or hand a crazy pax off to the right people. If someone tried to hound me like this I would immediately find other airline employees to circle the wagons and resolve this without raising voices or escalation.
My 2 cents

You need to politely ask that asshat to turn off his phone or get out, I believe they think it is totally acceptable in our cell phone world. They just need an occasional reminder that not everyone wants to live in their " have to be constantly plugged in world."

It goes to say to that also there is only x amount of space in the sleep rooms. Nothing like arriving for 4am ready reserve and having a bunch of guys decide to camp out there instead of going to a hotel or crashpad and sleeping in until 8 for the their 9am flight, leaving the people who are at work forced to find somewhere else to get a few hours of shut eye.

Looks like a Compass flight based on the interior and her mention of LAX. Texas woman rants on plane after being asked to get off | Daily Mail Online

Got a tangent/follow up question...

What's the etiquette regarding alarms in the sleep room? I've set an audible alarm knowing I need to wake up for a flight. Kosher? Faux pax? Only other time I've been in there and heard someone's alarm go off was another guy who set an alarm and then snoozed it like freaking 4 times over 20 minutes! That was annoying as hell but then had me wondering...are audible alarms the norm or am I just annoying people with my "one and done"?

Oh yeah, now it's the AA pilot's fault for not knowing how to defuse the situation?! Wow. You're a genius. :rolleyes:

You waking up for your showtime is more important than my light sleep. One alarm and get up....snoozing it 524 times is a D-move.

https://youtu.be/qse_wf57tZM