Yes. You're dragging the rest of us down with you. Just because your company doesn't prohibit looking unprofessional doesn't mean it's a good idea.

It's supposed to be buttoned with the top button only. Unless it's double-breasted, then all buttons.

Hmmmmm, normally I agree with you, but on this one I still object.

Clearly there are some ruffled feathers, so I will put this thought out there. Blazers can be worn open or closed in many other applications (read non airline). Lawyers, business men, salesmen, etc. Very few actually button their blazers. Unprofessional?

Which of course brings me to my comment earlier. Define professional. I have yet to find a guiding document that truely defines the meaning of professional. Because of a lack of such documentation I am forced to rely on the governing documentation of my company (the one who pays me for my professional services).

Since buttoned or unbottoned is approved, I do not see how it is possible to call it unprofessional to have a blazer unbuttoned. Rather it sounds like a few overly opinionated individuals pushing their own ideas on others. Maybe not but sure sounds that way. Hence the idea of the governing document that defines professional.

And on a last note. Its amazing we would even be griping on a public forum about a blazer jacket buttoned or not. As a regional guy I find it rather disappointing to hear mainline pilots complain about uniform standards when I see a very large portion of them wearing black tennishoes, northface jackets, backpacks on their blazers, unshaven, long hair (I could go on here). How many mainlines approve of any of the mentioned? So basically what I am saying is lead by example. Thats not to say that anybody on this forum is not holding themselves to the highest of standards.

Food for thought, now let the bombs fly :rolleyes:

Always (unless seated)
Sometimes
Never

If you're going to be wearing a decent suit, slim fit, nice cut, button the thing up. Should that cut not be your style anything goes. But. Should you prefer a certain style ie cut of a suit you need to have that bish buttoned.

Ya dig?

Is it a coincidence that I am typing about suits and I have adds for suits on the bottom of this screen?

That's odd, the ads on the bottom of my screen says there's "single Russian MILF's in my area" :confused:

It knows your browser history.

Mine has an ad for a laxitve.

Does your company manual tell you how to tie and wear your tie? You should tie it like a shoelace and wrap it around your head like a sweatband for those hot airports then.

They can't hold your hand for everything man. Don't look like a hot bag of garbage.

Funny, maybe I'm a tool for even wading into this discussion, but I've always wondered about this.

I know a men's suit jacket should always have the bottom button unbuttoned. That's the way they are cut, to allow for that.

But we're not wearing a "traditional suit jacket," we're wearing a uniform coat, and something from my former Air Force days says to me that all my buttons on my uniform jacket should be buttoned.

Having said that, I usually wear my airline jacket with the bottom button unbuttoned.

The argument on whether to button the bottom button or not (not, as it's traditionally worn and cut to not have that one buttoned) is small potatoes relative to the argument whether to button it at all or not. Note to those that walk around around the terminal in their uniform with the flaps waving in the self-induced breeze.......

You look amateurish to your fellow peers and the general public. If you're too hot, take off the blazer and lay it on your roller.

So, uhm... Most of you became pilots to wear the uniform? To look a certain way, to live out scenes from "Catch Me If You Can"? I know of people like that, most of them never got past their instrument rating. Well hell, I ought to stop flying in my sweat pants and comfy t-shirt, I didn't know it was the uniform that made us professional.

Again, pretty sure the TSA uniform guidance says the jacket may be worn buttoned or unbuttoned. So, they consider it professional.

Yes, it is PART of a professional image, obviously not all. Honestly, it blows my mind that this conversation is even happening :rolleyes:

Have some self-respect people. Look and act the part of a professional pilot.

Your former AF days have made you a nerd (also, no one cares). If you're wearing a blazer (which a lot of airline uniforms have), you only button the top. It's not that difficult.

In fact, it's even easier than buttoning everything.

I never knew this stuff about blazers/suit jackets. Seriously.

That said, please for the love of all that's holy, have some pride and wear the uniform correctly and with pride.

It's not that hard, people!

Exactly, and if you need a little visual guidance take notice of an Emirates, Lufthansa, Korean Air, etc crew the next time one walks past you. One of the reasons they're respected far more in their respective countries than we are in ours is because they look and act the part.

I'm an expat. Uniform standards is not even a questions. In fact, uniform standards is not a questions with the majority of overseas carriers. My fellow expats read and discuss the dribble on APC, and this is just one where the wine comes out of one's nasai. We even have to wear the dreaded hat:eek:. Oh the humanity. But the good new is no ear buds, no back packs, or the weird colored reflecting sun glasses with white rims.:)

Here we go again. The falling standards crowd back with their silly arguments against taking pride it what we do and being professional.

Well, our president wears his jacket open most of the time and with a tie that is at least a few inches too long, on a good day.

Ironically a pilot could say "If its good enough for the most powerful person in the world, its good enough for me while in the CLE terminal"

Nothing makes me laugh more than people, on an anonymous forum, forever telling others how to be a professional. I probably have flown with 50 pilots in my career that look great walking down a terminal but are worthless on the flighdeck, the opposite is equally true with the guy who looks like a slob but is great at the job.

You nerds are really having a conversation about the bottom button on a uniform blazer. This takes type A controlling pilot to an entire new level.

Exactly, and he also looks like an amateurish tool because of it. Amazing that a business man that's been so successful has no clue on how to properly dress himself. Now that he represents the American people someone needs to pull him aside and clue him in. It's embarrassing. (Yes, I voted for him but not because of his "polished" look).

I'm painfully aware of foreign crews and how perfect they always look (and behave in view of pax and other crews). It doesn't matter if they're a major international carrier or a low-cost regional in a small country, the results are always the same.

Ah yes, because a uniform piece draped on a rollabag looks waaaaay better (more professional).

Funny thing about looking amateurish. So many times while on the line I see airliners do ameteurish stuff all the time. I really dont know how these guys look in uniform, but thats not the point. Looks are onething. How you operate your metal is where it counts. Sure its nice to see crisp young airmen in the terminal. But how they do busines is way more important (you know, where lives matter).

Also I do look professional in my uniform. But keep in mind beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Im authorized to leave my cowl flaps open so I will. Nothing unprofessional there. Also nobody has provided one document showing professional pilot defined (at least to include buttons). So basically what I am saying is this. If somebody wants to call me unprofessional for not buttoning my jacket then I will only respond with 3 questions.
1) What airline do you think I work for?
2) Do you know my company standards?
3) What leg do you think you have to stand on telling me what is right and wrong?

Fail to answer any of those and I will write you off as some joker who thinks he is Gods gift to airlines. Oh and I will tell you as much. Provide credible support however and I will listen and take note. But just saying it "looks unprofessional" is bull and highly subjective. We operate aircraft on facts not subjective bull.

Give me a solid fact and I promise I will listen and change my wicked ways. Otherwise all this banter on a forum is pure amusement. :cool:

Uh, first time on the forums? Everyone is here to tell one another what they should do and will do in order to achieve the subjective "professional" label.

They will tell you the proper weight, hair, jacket, button posture, bag, backpack fails, sun glasses, lanyards etc...everything you need to know is right here.

Joking aside, I agree on everything you said. I wish more could grasp this simple logic.

Directly from the "sh!t I didn't think you should have to be told" file.

Some clown in uniform at DFW last Sunday was walking around with earbuds hanging out of his ears wired down to his pockets. I got $5 that says he's on here somewhere *****ing about low pay...while whatever it may be is well more than his appearance demands.

I'm willing to bet I can guess within 5 years how old the different players on here are! (of course, there are probably some exceptions, but for the most part it's easy to figure out.):)

I would tend to agree.

Those that are old enough to be from when parents taught their children how to behave in public and how to be a lady or gentlemen.

And then everyone who got a trophy because their parents lied to them about how special they are. :)

You desperately need this DVD....

http://www.sportys.com/media/catalog.../0/10952_3.jpg

BEST thread ever. We all just need to be laid-back and chill. It takes effort to make this job more difficult.

Use some common sense on what a professional and appropriate look is for an airline pilot for crying out loud :rolleyes:

Next up: Delta won't hire you because you couldn't pass the Navy FITREP and fit into the Admiral's jacket.

Relax guys. It's a blazer.

DAL won't hire you because you do not understand what a FITREP is.

Ah yes, because a Delta Captain is the diffinitiative authority on airlines. Never mind I dont operate under a Delta Carrier, or even work for Delta.

FWIW i have seen the video. Been a few years. I dont recall the captain mentioning how to button a blazer. Could be a minor oversight :rolleyes:

LOL-everybody is going nuts over the blazer, and the vast majority can't find a proper hat size either. Love the ones that cram it down trying to make it fit like a baseball cap. Looks really "professional"...

Should I even go into the lack of shirts or slacks being pressed? Or are we still prioritizing the "Proper Wear and Appearance of the Professional Pilots Blazer"?

Suit Coats, Blazers & Sport Coats are three similar but different things.

A hearty beard would go nice with a fully buttoned up double breasted suit. Maybe even wear your headset over your hat in the cockpit to top it off!

Let us not bring hats into this, the internet is riddled with proper hat etiquette that we,as pontificating professionals, chose to blindly ignore. I will practice buttoning my blazer when everyone agrees to "doff their hats" in the proper and accustomed fashion.

(picture of Danny Noonan at the yacht club)

"Oh, so you're a Delta pilot, huh? A handsome fella. Hey man, I bet you were something before EFIS."

I am laughing, this is funny because it's true.