Yep. Mine did the same when I showed her the vid. :rolleyes:

Couldn't get a wind check?:eek:

So how about the SWA pilot making the rounds on facebook who wears a leather cap and goggles while people board?

i think it's hilarious.

Well, they kind of have a mandate for that sort of humor...

Originally Posted by dawgdriver View Post
Yes, photos of men standing in long lines at the Women in Aviation job fairs. Yes, Begging. While you're looking, note the lack of women in the photo; no need to spend money getting there because women will get hired because of quotas. They are allowed to bypass much of the pain getting to majors/legacies. Straight to the front of the line. Why spend money on training with the myriad of scholarships only available to women? How often have we seen women get hired with FAR less qualifications than their male counterparts. Hey, great gig if you can get it; I would take advantage of it if I were a woman too. But please, enough already with the gender warfare coming from the privileged class.


^^ That guy. That's not how Affirmative Action works!! All it means is if say 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, then one would expect to see roughly 10% of that region's workforce as being that race or gender. It doesn't mean "hire all of the women." It means "ATTEMPT to show a statistically accurate representation of your application pool in your hiring process in order to avoid discrimination, but still hire the most qualified applicant."

And isn't it common knowledge that it's not what you know, it's who you know? Of course some people (white male and minority both) are being hired over more qualified counterparts; they are friends with a chief or are better at networking themselves or are better at filling out that damn Airline App. I'm so sick of being told that I've had it so easy because I'm a chick. No, actually, I worked my a$$ off for over a decade, just like everyone else, just to get to the regional level. And just like everyone else, I'm stuck playing the stupid Job Fair game waiting and hoping for an interview call. My *** have had zero effect on my aviation career thus far, except maybe to give me back problems.

Phew. Rant over.

Go Girl !!! My wife is a SWA pilot , flew on demand freight , then 9 years in the regionals before getting the nod , she skipped the whole WIA thing because she wanted to get in on her own merits. No one whines like a male pilot , nobody , and I can say that because I r one : ) LOL !!!

We had one on the 727 who wore a railroad engineer's hat, called "All Aboard" on the PA, and then blew a wooden train whistle. (The pax usually laughed & applauded.) :D

Preach it! It only takes a quick look around at the pilot ranks to see that the argument of women and minorities "takin' er jerbs!" doesn't hold any water. I can think of plenty of "average white male" types (myself included!) in the aviation world who have advanced well ahead of better qualified and more deserving minority populations.

Never underestimate the shrillness of angry white men!

This guy in another thread also caught my eye. As a white, secular male I guess I shouldn't care how Alabama treats blacks, or how Germany treats Jews or how human traffickers treat refugees? I'm not part of any of those groups so it's not my concern, right? I should just butt out? Great! That's a weight off my mind :rolleyes:

Not really though, because you are assuming everyone of those 10% also wants to work in this exact same industry as the other 90% and that they all have their applications in. That's just not the case. I was an Aerospace engineering major and females in that field were rare, and a minority female were rarer still. It doesn't mean the university was biased against females for aerospace engineering acceptance. For every 100 total students maybe 3 were minority females, even though the general population could be like 25% are minority females. In this case, there just weren't minority females applying to this field. So you certainly can't say you'd expect 25% of those spots to be minority female because the reality was there just weren't even that many applying to it. And yes, affirmative action is bull****. :D

Will require pics to validate this statement.

Beat me to it. I was going to see if she was single:D

Lol! My industry, ladies and gentlemen.

Yeah - look at their decorations in terminals for the holidays. Their employees put some serious effort into those displays. Not my cup of tea but hey somebody seems to like it.

I was pretty shocked on some corners of aviation and how open the bad treatment women/minorities. One of my DPEs sat for the first part of the test telling aviation-themed women and ***er jokes in the FBO lobby to a bunch of the instructors while they laughed nervously, probably continues as because minorities and women are really rare, only seen a few. As long as there are more applicants than positions the discrimination and "reverse discrimination" claims will be a continuing issue. Everybody loves a scapegoat for that one position you were "supposed" to get.

Medicine is far from perfect too, but almost all medical school student classes are 50% female in the past few decades and at least overt mistreatment is not as common.

If your going to argue this, don't argue with yourself.

If 10% of a region is a certain race or gender, but 1% of the APPLICANTS are of that race or gender, hiring 100% of them would still leave you short of the suggested targets. Therein lies the problem.

I don't care one way or the other, but your argument is disingenuous.

Pipe

Found out that some of my information was wrong. My husband works for a company that handles affirmative action regulatory compliance.

So here's how this works. Numbers are pulled in two different ways, by county and by census area. Regardless of how the numbers are pulled in, all they look at are percentages and ratios. This does not mean that if you have an available workforce that is 30% black that you have to have a similar percentage of your workforce be 30% black. That's where the ratios come into play. All we look at is if the company is in danger of discriminatory hiring practices.

The purpose of AA is not to tell you to only choose female minorities (that in itself discriminates against white men). Its purpose is to weed out companies that are doing this. AA says to hire the most qualified applicant FIRST, and then make considerations for their race, gender or protected status (disability and veterans).

EEO-Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) | National Archives

Affirmative Action: Positive steps taken by an employer which contribute toward greater employment opportunities for minorities, females, the elderly, and the disabled. In federal employment, extra effort must be made to include qualified women, minorities, employees over 40, and the disabled at grade levels and in job categories where they are under represented.

Affirmative Action Plans/Affirmative Employment Plan: Written plans for programs required by Executive Order 11478 and other laws and regulations. AAP's may contain studies which show how the work force at the activity has been used, and may include goals and timetables for increasing the representation of protected class members in those areas where they have been under represented.

I guess on the plus side, most of these guys wouldn't have the balls to say this stuff to your face. So...progress?:D

Yes, you're just a regular white knight and defended of the weak. :rolleyes:

I would hardly consider giving a bowl movement about issues affecting others being a "white knight and defended(er?) of the weak". But hey, if you want to set the bar that low that's up to you. :rolleyes:

You think the groups you listed....minorities, women, Jews and refugees are "the weak"?:eek:

You're the one who's been defending one of the last forms of institutional racism/discrimination left In this country for the last few pages and how proud you are as a "secular white male" for doing it.

I nominate you guys for Tools of the Day for hijacking Tool of the Day thread, especially with politics. Ain't makin' it fun anymore.

Didn't realize acknowledging was the same as defending. But again, if that's what winds you up then your call, not mine.

Concur.

Friend of mine was personally told she wouldn't be hired because the owner needed a bachelor pilot due to pop up trips. He knew she had children. (He didn't have this requirement for his male pilots).

A different potential employer asked her if she was planing on having any more kids, worring about any potential maternity leave.

Another owner picked her up from a trip and pulled into a hotel parking lot, talking about sending her to school for typed equipment and asking her if he should go inside and "get a room". She resigned rather than having to work a job with that type of undertone.

True story

Sad part is, it's all pure jealousy. NO ONE is complaining regionals are hireing "under qualified" women FO's for $25 bucks an hour, because they're hiring everyone in sight. Everyone only identifies an "un-qualified" female at a major carrier which is a job they want for themselves.

Well, if we were face, no pics required, eh...?


You may wish to read back to see who first raised the topic. I'm glad that flyingberk appears to have the requisite sense of humor to have taken it in context.

PS: Under/over on how long until UAL T38 Phlyer bowdlerizes your post...?

Bingo:eek:

Definitely worthy of the BS card:mad:

You know the difference between a fairytale and a sea story?

One begins, "Once upon a time" the other, "This is no shiite".

He forgot to continue and say she's now at Delta or United or Fedex.

I didn't because she's not, still slugging it out with every dude that gripes and b****es every time a woman is hired.

In fairness though, in my experance the most worthless people in protected hiring categories are the ones that benefit most, which is why they have such a stigma.

I am glad we live in a county that is so reformed that you can't even believe reality.

It is all true, in fact the person who asked during an interview if she was planning on having any more kids was a women. She thought it was a valid question to protect her boss's, the owner's, interest in the money and time it takes to train and hire a pilot.

I've talked to fellow pilots and some have agreed small flight departments can't afford for a pilot to be on 12 weeks leave for babies. Somehow they can afford a million dollar airplane though.

I've asked some guys if they thought it would be fair if an employer asked them if they were planning of having kids, they said "well no" why " well because I am not a women" why does that matter, "because it's not my job to take care of the kids".

I forgot two more stories, they were never formal interviews so no one knows how they would have resulted anyways.

Cheif pilot knows likes her and has an opening, goes home and talks to his wife about it, and she says NO WAY, no female co-pilots, PERIOD. Guy calls and told her he fought with his wife for 3 hours, but lost, and cant use her.

Another story was similar except it was the aircraft owner's wife. She could be used for day trips only. Therefore would never be hired with full benefits, because they still had a need for multi day trips which his wife said, no way!

Reality or your "stories"?

If that's true, then it's really women holding each other down because of their insecurities. I nominate women for being tool of the day for doing that!

[QUOTE=PruneJuice;2287011]Reality or your "stories"?[/QUOTE

Reality,

I didn't realize they were so unbelievable.

Top three reasons:

1) The Cheap Wad, thinks it to expensive to hire a contract pilot while his is on maternity leave, and pay short term disability, plus she could drag up after the first kid and be a stay at home mom. Also reliability, if I call at 10pm for a 6am pop up trip, she might not be able to get the kids covered.

2) The Super Duper Christian, thinks the mom is the cornerstone of a wholesome family and she will thank me one day for not hiring her when her kids grow up and aren't on drugs. "We are on the road way to much to try and raise a family". Also can be old fashion think mixed crews are "inappropriate" in general.

3) The Jealous Wife, guy thinks he doesn't need to prove to himself he's not a sexist by hiring a female. He knows he's not, and certainly isn't going to backstab his wife buy hiring a mid 20's/30's female just to prove he can resist temptation, or isn't a sexist.

None of these people think they are discriminating against women, we were taught discrimination is from hatred or malice in your heart, which they have none.

You must be in a union shop and have been for a very long time to be so far removed from reality. Your horizons have now been expanded.

Just FYI, I do think that every woman that's jumps up and says they failed some training, or wasn't hired for LCA or chief pilot because they are female is lying and in denial of their own shortcomings.
The real discrimination situations don't have lawsuits, grievances, or arbitrations, those women just take there licks and keep moving on. There is really nothing they can do about it, and the offenders don't feel like they did anything wrong because the reasoning is reasonable and logical.

MOD INPUT: OK, I think we've beat affirmative action to death here. As toolish as it may be, let's move on to other more entertaining tools. This thread is not fun right now.

Thanks.

I nominate Sir Tim Clark for doing this:

Statement from the Partnership for Open & Fair Skies on Emirates? Route to Newark - Partnership for Open and Fair Skies » Partnership for Open and Fair Skies

I'm going to nominate the a-hole pax on my commute last night. To start, this jack wagon acts like a petulant child to the gate agent about not getting his upgrade. To the point she had to ask him firmly to step aside. This is for a 40 minute flight. I boarded right behind this piece of work. His reply to the flight attendant's pleasant smile and "welcome aboard"? A gruff "Diet coke. Row 17. And I want it before we take off." For his next trick, when we park and the seatbelt sign comes off this moron shoves his way three rows up the aisle, rams his bag into my butt and gets wheel dirt all over the back of my pant leg. I know the flight was late but are you EFFING NEW HERE!? Early, late, on time or on FIRE, no one goes anywhere when the door isn't open and there are 40 people in front of you! You sir, are what make flying an obnoxious experience for everyone else involved. I hope you got to the parking lot and found your car was stolen. :mad:

I love I when the seatbelt sign comes off and people immediately get up and spend the next 10 minutes hunched over as I continue reading my newspaper. It gives me inner peace-chakras.

sounds like the kind of guy who's gonna go out of his way to tell people he's gonna fly southwest from now on.