Millennial's. All those participation trophies have created the incessant need to be acknowledged, valued and appreciated.

A to B without bending metal, having some laughs and not pranging the landing is all I want myself.

All to easy response........

Crabby/grumpy old baby boomer can't say "hi" because he oh so willingly gave out all those trophies.......

I'm NOT a millennial BTW.

Millenial? I'm FAR from it. 52 years old for me. You guys are totally missing this guy's point, which is: if someone - anyone - says something nice to you, don't be rude and fail to acknowlege them. It's just impolite. MY mother and father taught me to smile and acknowlege people when they speak to me. If one is standing there and greeting someone and/or says something nice, then the other should smile or say thank you, or whatever. It's flat out rude to not respond to someone greeting you. Yes, I understand that some people may have someting horrible on their mind, but let's face it, most do not at any given time. To NOT respond gives off the impression that somehow this is the old British Caste system in which one does not acknowlege someone of a lower Caste becasue, well, they're just not worthy enough to be responded to or acknkowleged. They're beneath you.

The original poster of that comment who you are so quick to judge made it clear in subsequent posts that he was referring to basic common politeness, something which eveidently escapes many of you.

^^^^^ Thank you sir. (Or ma'am).

100% truth! :)

Les is probably near retirement, and can fall back on some union protections in any case.

Plus he's high enough profile that if AA disciplined or fired him it would likely blow up in their face in a very public manner. I think they'll just bite the bullet on this one.

Even though we all know who he works for, he never mentions the airline in THAT column, so he could argue that he never specifically disparaged any specific named airline publicly.

I feel his pain, though. We've all been there.

Is really worth getting one's knickers in a twist over? I mean come on. I'm going to my safe place because that mean old jump seater didn't say hello, goodbye or thanks :-(''''. Very presumptive and arrogant of you sir to state that politeness escapes many service employees. What's your suggestion 450... Run up the jet bridge and slap sum politeness into the rude ruffian? Place and label his picture on a special Facebook page?

Not returning a salutation is not always deliberate. Many reasons have been pointed out in previous posts.

Such as life. Enjoy your day and hopefull you're not faced with more threatening issues such as no breadsticks to go with your crew meal.

Whatever, man. It's a discussion. Nothing more. When I see people do what the OP discribed, I simply roll my eyes, look at the FA in the galley with that "what a douchebag" look, and move on. Nothing more.

Doesn't mean I don't think people like the guy he described are rude. Do it once? Whatever. Do it twice on one flight? Angry, rude guy. Eye roll from me, then moving on.

Will I discuss this rudeness on a forum? You bet. It's a FORUM. What else are we supposed to do in here?

I think a lot of it has to do with being in the trenches at a regional and thinking that someday it will all be sunshine and rainbows when that major calls.

Then you run into someone at a major more miserable than you are. Suddenly your whole life plan takes a nosedive.

Frankly I'm surprised people are defending someone without any common courtesy. If I wave I expect to be waved back at. If I say hello and you ignore me I dislike you. Why shouldn't someone be upset for the same scenario on their own aircraft?

Yes. Common courtesy is the key in this entire incident.
Just a touch of common courtesy requiring oh, maybe say; a two second courtesy acknowledgement to the greeting is the courteous and polite thing to do.
Asking to much? Seems to be anymore.

Not me!

After all the (little) paperwork was done, I'd be back at work looking for #5.:eek:

#5? At what point might it be more cost-effective to just live across the street from Soi Cowboy? 😂

Is that a trick question? Before the first one.

IMO if you're not sitting up front, who cares? All this show of appreciation etiquette stuff seems pretty self-serving to me. Don't pilots feel special enough? I recently heard a story of a regional FO rushing to the near-empty cabin to reprimand a JS who didn't "check in" up front. Since when do FOs making $25/hr care about this anyway?? I thought people usually checked in with the CA..

Dumb traditions like this get people butthurt over nothing. If you get a seat in the back, even if you filled out a jumpseat form to get it, you earned that seat just the same as any passenger... Take a seat and enjoy the ride. Oh and be nice to the flight attendant :)

Like showing them common curtosies? :)

Power-tripping gate agents. All sweetness and light if you're working the flight but "eff-you" if you're trying to non-rev or jumpseat home.

Jumpseating on A320. 2 jumpseaters.
Friendly crew- great crew in fact.
I take my seat behind the Captain. Other dude is in the other jumpseat.
2.5 hr flight. Dude was a self-entitled prick about lots of things. Crew meal came, CA offered him bread roll- he turned it down but asked for his fresh fruit instead.
Minor, maybe. As was his being a total clutz when the FO wanted to use the Lav and he (jumpseater) struggled with keeping his bags under control and even left the cockpit door wide open for several seconds. (I closed it).
BUT. Who cares about that. What made him the TOOL OF THE DECADE was... I looked over at one point- dude was picking his nose!! Not subtlely. No, his entire finger was excavating. And he was flicking his boogers into the crew's trash bag.
And this continued for 90 minutes of the flight!!!!
I eventually got a glimpse of his badge.. stalked him on facebook- Embry Riddle grad. Flies for a regional.
After the flight; he had the audacity to shake hands with the crew with those nasty digits. I made sure my hands were occupied with my bags.
Heard the crew saying "wow" after he'd left and I was departing- think they knew about the whole thing.

.....wow. How these people get this far in life is beyond me.

Kind of a different subject. It's not common courtesy to interrupt everything going on in the flight deck prior to a flight just to announce you're sitting in the back. Imagine if every passenger did that!

You are not like every other passenger, you are exercising, with the consent of the Captain, your privilege as a Jumpseater. Where you end up sitting is beside the point, you gained access to the flight via Jumpseat privileges. It takes a few seconds, it is professional courtesy to atleast introduce yourself...
If you're too overwhelmed to break from your checklist as 150 pax slowly shuffle into their seats, perhaps you shouldn't be running a checklist.

Ok. Read it again

Not required at all airlines (think Delta.) The times they are a-changin'.

I couldn't care less if they come up to say hello/ask permission.

OK. Again, different subject. There were definitely posts about non-revving and jumpseat etiquette since the original post, my friend.....

I'm sure most pilots can handle an interrupted checklist, Montanaflying.... but if we have a 25 min turn and we're blazing through briefings and checklists and clearances blah blah trying to gtfo on time I don't need Joe Smoe interrupting halfway through just to announce he's sitting in the back. If you aren't taking up my cockpit space why should I care, specifically?

I think the "professional courtesy" bit is self-serving and needs to be updated. If you're in the back the jumpseat privileges are the same as any other nonrev privileges we have, practically speaking anyway.... I certainly won't be storming into the cabin to berate someone because they didn't stop by up front first to kiss my a##.

Goggles,


How often do you see a pilot headed to the back because the agent said take a seat, yet still in possession of a 1P boarding pass? I see it quite often since the agents are too lazy/rushed to change their status. Now they show up on the WDR as a jump seater and you have an unresolved weight and balance issue you have to handle. I think it's easier for JS'ers to just stop at the door and say hi.

Omar

Not to mention it's nice to know you have another professional pilot on board to use as an option should the unfortunate need arise. Jumpseaters have been used in the past and will be used in the future. Part of using all available resources...

When you sign for the Jumpseat you are accepting being a part of the crew. That alone warrants talking to the Captain. If he is busy and brushes you away to your seat in the back that's fine but he will still remember seeing you and know you are there.

This is a different scenario. You're absolutely correct. I'm talking about the situation where they are handed a boarding pass with a pax seat on it.

Unfortunately, this is not always the case. A couple years ago, I tried to check in with the CA while jump seating on a Delta flight. The MX guy was standing in the cockpit door way talking to the pilots, so I couldn't get past him, the gate agent and FA is rushing me telling me to take my seat (since I was the last one). I waited until I was the last one off the flight, and told the CA on my way out, I tried to check in, but he was busy with the MX guy and the agent and FA was rushing me to take my seat. I said Thank You and walked off. The CA followed me down the escalator and gave me an ear full about always having to check in even if i got a seat.

I think the procedure has been changed recently. Never a need to "chew someone out" over not asking for a jumpseat. For some guys, it's an ego thing.

Interesting point, but I bet you 95% of the butthurts never actually think about this. It's all about flexing their almighty jumpseat authority over someone...

Still, DH and other non-revs aren't expected to do this, even when on-duty and in uniform. Professional courtesy is always appreciated, I'm sure. But chasing people down an escalator because they sat in the back with all the other non-revs is over the top.. Life must really be bland for those guys who actually care enough to bother someone sitting in the back. IMHO...

Shoulda just walked off the plane and never looked back. :D

Both good points. I'm Home Based now, so I'm always travelling in uniform on a ticket. Still, I try to introduce myself to the Captain
for a couple reasons.

1. So he knows he has at least one ABP in the back who's familiar with commercial aviation.

2. So there is no misunderstanding about whether I'm jumpseating or not.

So far, there's never been an issue. I still poke my head in at the end if the door is open to say "Thank You" anyway.

Why do you travel in uniform on a ticket? I do my best to NOT stand out as a pilot when traveling to/from work on a ticket.

Be honest...you dream of playing Ted Stryker after the crew both eat the fish, don't you?! :D

No, but it has gotten me upgraded to business class and first class from steerage economy. It also makes it MUCH easier to get through customs, especially overseas.

I used to work with a guy who insisted on wearing his monkey suit when airlining, anywhere. Home based as well. Very ego driven. He even continued to wear his hat when it became optional. Went as far as doing many of captain duties for extra points. Best part was almost every foreign airline asked him to change out of his costume so nobody would confuse him with their crew! Total tool! (or target).

The other day I was jumpseating and was given a seat in the back. I saw the captain in the galley as I was boarding, introduced myself, showed badge, mentioned I was given a seat in the back and asked him if I could get a ride to XYZ. He escorted me into the flight deck and thoroughly inspected all of my documents and then said I was ok. Not saying this guy was TOTD but really??

Sometimes I wonder if these captains realize the document inspection is only required to ride up front, or if it's just habit.

I'm sure it's just a power trip for a few.

Some captains check all docs in case you end up at the last minute being full in back and must actually ride in the cockpit, then they don't have to do it later. (I'm a long way from being a captain)