I dunno, the picture of the guy with sleeve stripes on his uniform shorts was pretty good.

Guess I missed that one, but taking pix of others without their permission is creepy, at best!

It's also not legal without express written permission from the subject. Hope the Ansel Adams wannabe gets tagged.

Mod Note:

Anyone who prowls concourses, jetways, restaurants, bathrooms or cockpits taking pictures of the crew doing anything at all IS A BIG FAT TOOL. And if any of these pictures are posted on APC, THE TOOL CAN SAY GOODBYE TO ALL HIS FRIENDS HERE.

Anyone who doesn't understand the simple concept of privacy and common decency is not welcome on APC.

Anyone who thinks it's amusing to send me or the other mods a PM complaining about this (or anything else for that matter) is delusional and also not welcome here.

Absolutely. I once went round and round with our new well-intentioned yet grossly naive director of training at a little 134.5 outfit because he taught that CRM was a rigid set of cockpit protocols strictly defining what each crewmember was, and was not, to do.

I don't think it ever got through to him that what he was describing was the literal opposite of the CRM concept.

That is far from correct.

People can be photographed if they are in public (without their consent) unless they have secluded themselves and can expect a reasonable degree of privacy. Kids swimming in a fountain? Okay. Somebody entering their PIN at the ATM? Not okay. You are even protected to take photos of private property, as long as you are on public, even if it is into your neighbors window, as long as the curtains are open, and there has been no attempt to close them. Key phrase is there is no expectation of privacy, and person is not legally protected by intellectual property rights, as long as you are in a place viewable by the public. How do you think the paparazzi gets away with celebrity nipple slips on private beaches?

All I understood was "nipple slips"....and boy are those fun!

Crew members can not be photographed on board an aircraft, without permission. Not sure if every airline follows this, but it's in the in flight magazine and I've seen fas stop their demo.

I always thought those nipple slipps were photoshopped in. Huh. Well, now I know. Perhaps I will keep more of those magazines passengers leave on board from now on :cool:

Latest nominee: the UAL CA who nonrevved on us (Skywest) a couple days ago. I greeted him as he boarded with a friendly 'welcome aboard, Captain', only to be completely ignored. Same thing happened when we deplaned. Not even a glance of acknowledgement, no 'thanks for the ride,' nothing. And I know he was a nonrev guy, not deadheading.

The complete absence of professional courtesy was just mind-boggling.

Did you call him/her on it?

Is it required for all non-revs to acknowledge you and say thanks? If he was pass riding what is the big deal? He was using a seat in the cabin and sounds like you were trying to elicit a thanks for giving him the ride when in actuality it was his pass privilege that actually got him the ride.

Also was this on a route that was previously flown as a manline flight? Perhaps the "thanks for flying the route I previously flew" would not have been received well by you and your need for acknowledgement.

If they're not jumpseating, I don't get bent out of shape over it. Lambourne hit the nail squarely on the head in his assessment.

Really it's got nothing to do with non-revving, jumpseating, etc. It's just common courtesy to acknowledge someone when they welcome you aboard or say goodbye, whether you're boarding the crew van or a 777

And as far as the route goes, I don't recall mainline ever flying into San Luis Obispo. But what should that have to do with anything? Nothing, that's what.

No, I just figured that perhaps the guy was having a bad day. Or that he was one of those guys with a chip on his shoulder about the regionals. Or possibly that he was just really antisocial.

Let me help you out with that;

"thanks for flying the route I gave away on (insert scope give by legacy airline pilot on a pre pre 9/11 dollar bills and big jets for small jet giveaway here)"

And round and round a chicken-egg circle jerk could go........

Another one from "the jumpseat files"...........

Hub to hub city pair, there's lot of non-revs, there ALWAYS IS. Standard, pilots ALWAYS list for non-rev and JS, it's just what commuters do. Turns out, ALL non-revs cleared on stand by passes and didn't have to JS, to include the express employees.

Legacy CA makes an RJ CA get out of his last row middle seat, walk all the way up to the cockpit, and check in with him. Even though he cleared on a non rev pass. CA acts appalled that RJ CA didn't check in. Turns out, even the gate agent told the CA everyone cleared and no one was JS'ing.

CA wouldn't close the door till the RJ CA came up to the cockpit and said "hi".

When the call is made to get his side of the story, his rationale is "well I'm just doing my job". No clue when got written in that it's the CA's job to police the non revs as well.......

If the flight was from SEA it would be a stolen Horizon route :D

Well it is considered common courtesy, especially when the roles are reversed. If in fact said commuter was really concerned about the fact that SkyWest was operating a route they previously flew, they certainly didn't show it when they voted away scope language. I never flew for SkyWest, nor any other jet regional, but they certainly do not shoulder the blame for the monster that is now the "regional" industry. That egg lays directly on the face of the selfish morons that sold the career down the toilet for an hourly rate. Sorry.. I know it hurts but that's the truth fellas.

Seriously? You have got to be kiddin me. You want non revs togive you a thanks? All gate agents, FAs, parents, children? What makes ita common courtesy? Who made that rule? Do you feel special if someone says thanks.

Please if you are non reving on my flight, DONT come up say thanks. Get in your seat and relax.

Before heading overseas, I greeted jumpseaters in the boarding area. I checked their credentials, took the flight crew copy of their jumpseat pass and told them to enjoy the hospitality and didn't have to check in with us whilst boarding or deplaning. Busy times... don't need nor like interruptions while completing paperwork, FMC programming, checklists, briefings and what not. Couldn't care less if they didn't poke their heads in while deplaning. Perhaps they are preoccupied with issues such as short time at home, connecting flights, or family issues.

Overseas, only company pilots are eligible for the jumpseat. Some would and some wouldn't come in the cockpit to say hey or bye. Same applies for most.... many don't care if jumpseaters come to the cockpit to bestow good tidings or farewells.

I can understand that some may take it as an affront when the crew's greet or farewell is ignored. But at the end of the day, is it the end of the world? Should one take a picture of the "offending" jumpseater, and draw a red circle with a slash on the portrait indicating a ban from their jumpseat? Believe it or not some crewmembers kept a log of jumpseat riders with a check or an X next to their names.

At the end of the day, there are more important issues to deal with on a day to day basis whilst operating a four sector day then getting wrapped around the axle about unfriendly or considered to be rude jumpseaters.

Could be all of the above. However, complaining about it on a forum makes you look "toolish". If you're that bothered by his/her actions call them on it. Complaining here accomplishes nothing.

You're not getting it. I was standing in the doorway, greeting all the pax. All of them, except this guy, either returned or acknowledged my greeting.

I would never expect a nonrev to poke their head in the flight deck and say hi. I certainly don't, when I'm nonrevving. But to blatantly ignore someone standing there welcoming you on board , I think that's just rude.

After getting older, I've realized that sometimes people have a lot on their minds and omit the courtesy's sometimes. Guy might have been awake for 48 hours too.
On one two-leg Europe trip, I thought about calling out a older FA for a lack of simple crew courtesy. She kinda of stared and would walk away multiple times (not operational stuff). Glad I didn't. I later learned her husband died suddenly something like 5 days prior. 3 days prior she found out he hadn't paid any life insurance bills and the bank accounts were empty. She had to work the trip to pay the rent (already used bereavement pay for trip earlier).

If you see "Captain Happy" 2 or 3 more times down the road, then he should be a candidate for TOTD. It's rare, but there are still a few of us with the recluse non-social engineer behavior.

Good point, you're absolutely right. If my wife had passed 5 days prior I wouldn't be able to drive myself to the airport, let alone fly an airplane...

Is it required for the passengers who paid for those seats to say "Thanks" ? Many passengers still say, Hello, or Thanks during the boarding and deplaning. It's not about, non-reving, or Jumpseating. It's just being nice to another person. It's sad that we have many passengers who paid for those seats, that took the time to say hello, or thank us as we they are walking out, but it sounds like it's too much trouble for some pilots.

^^^^^^

As well as customers that do it even when we're late/delayed, had a terrible ride with turbulence, etc.

Lots of people are miserable in this business, including old legacy pilots.

There are, you can also add to those that are miserable, new legacy pilots. Everyone has a bad day...just move along.

Nipple slips pre-dated PhotoShop (and the rest of the electronic photo editing software) by a long shot.

That's what they were - a shot with a v-e-r-y long (focal-length) lens.

Photo-editing then was a matter of an air-brush or very fine bristle brush on a optical negative or print.

Different technology, same outcome. Like rotary piston power vs turbo-prop.;)

If you're really an rj pilot, there's going to be a lot more blatant rudeness thrown your way over the years by all sorts of folks in the business that just see you as "beneath" them. You've just gotta develop a thick skin and don't let it get to you. Some people are just natural douchebags.

True, true. I guess I just expected more from another member of the profession. Sigh....

Funny, awhile back I had a conversation with my favorite lawyer about this. She said "well, they can claim whatever they want in the magazine." Short story, you are not "in public" when on the private property of the airline, so yes, they can restrict photography, but their recourse is generally limited to kicking you off the flight or seizing your FF miles, etc. It is designed to prevent people from becoming annoying, interfering with the crew, security concerns, or attempting to just portray the airline in a bad light (waiting until you find a pilot sleeping or picking his nose etc).

- "Have a great day, Captain. Thanks for flying with us".

- "You bet, sport. Keep up the good work, sonny boy" *double pat on the cheek*. "Bye sugar-doll" *smiles, winks and nods at the flight attendant next to the greeting pilot*.

How about that? :D

Is it too much to ask for a pat on the ass once in a while??

Considering I'm older than a whole bunch of mainline FOs and probably a few captains as well, the 'sonny boy' would be pretty amusing...

Although I'd pay good money to hear anyone call some of our FA's "sugar doll" with a straight face :D

Les Abend latest article's last two paragraphs. Perhaps not TOTD material, mostly the truth about his airline, but it is surprising he can write that and get away with it. I can think of several airlines in which that is a no-no and can get called in for it.

You have zero concept of personal courtesy. It has ZERO to do with whether this passenger was a pilot or not. It's simple: when someone - anyone - greets you and says something nice, respond in kind. Don't be an ass. It's just simple human courtesy, apparently something your mother never taught you.

It's a FORUM. Puhleez. Are we THAT important at APC?

Hmmm. Did I dream of becoming a pilot because I love to fly airplanes??? or to have passengers acknowledge my greeting or appreciation.

Ummm.... I'll have to get back on you on this one.