I agree, I've been two legging it for 10 years, we all know the risks, and assume such. But the line, "what's your excuse next time", is pretty douchey. Someone that hardlines a commuter with that BS, in my opinion, is far more toolish. It IS professional courtesy, in due time, what goes around, comes around. I don't take that as a threat or whining. Skywest had every right to the JS, but she is not, in the right. No one is required to exercise professional courtesy, and some, as evident, may not be aware of such things. There will be a time when she will need someone to help her out, and she may not get that help, simple as that, that is not a threat, it's the reality.

My exception is the coarse arrogance of the response, "get a tissue"? Here's one for you, be the adult, be a professional, assume the best of your fellow aviators, don't be a douche about it.

Enjoy your caviar.

No this is exactly what happened, it's the entire story. She never checked loads for me, she just said there's other flights leaving today.

The bottom line is...you are out of line. I don't care if she wanted to ride the JS just for the view, if it is her metal, and not yours, you have no right to the JS ahead of her. At DAL we can book the JS for "personal travel" (though not as early as guys going to/from work) and I can promise you, if the only option is I get to my "personal" appointment by riding my OWN JS...or you, an offline guy gets to go to work while commuting on my metal...you will be taking a different JS.

Now if I could take even the cruddiest seat in the back, to include a cabin JS, to help you out, I would. But if there were no other options, I cannot believe that you expect someone on their own metal to stay at the gate while you get to go to work on another airline's metal, and she gets to not use the privilege of the JS on her own metal.

Am I missing something?

Not to worry pee wee... you too may be the one in the same situation during your career... you may be the one bumbling the off liner from your company's jumpseat so you can attend a dive party reunion.:rolleyes:

Then you can nominate yourself TOTD.

For what it's worth, I've been bumped by last minute shows over the course of my career. It is what it is and can't be thin skinned about it. I've taken the last seat in economy in the row between two whales that haven't bathed in weeks so an offliner could get the jump seat. That too is what the career is all about.

In hope you will extend the same courtesy to your fellow professionals.

The choice of commuting comes with risks and situations just as the one mentioned. The Skywest pilot had priority for the jumpseat and exercised it. Many at other carriers would do the same. It really does not matter why, where, out of uniform etc. She had the right to be somewhere just as much as anyone else and she was under no obligation to give up that right or offer you any alternatives. Morale of the story? Move to base if you can!

come on dude. its her metal...period. What if the engagement party was for her best friend since she was a kid? would it be ok then? should she miss her best friends one engagement party so that some OAL guy can get on a JS? would you?

when i am traveling its for a reason and i will bump anyone off my own companies JS if I need to. And i dont get butt hurt when i get bumped....its like getting mad at the sun for being hot.

come on

Guys, I get it. I stated that a million times already. The part I didn't like was the way she talked to me when she did it. That's is. She didn't need to tell me a reason and she didn't need to smile when she did it. That's all there is to it.

I know it's her own metal and I know the priority. All I'm saying if you bump someone, don't be a dick about it.

I'm with you on this one...

Find a safe space.


"Never miss an opportunity to shut the hell up." -- Confucius.

BS

After reading his responses, IMHO, Beechedjet is the TOTD in this case and a contender for Tool of the Month.

Summary- BJ whines about his bump and "outs" another pilot on a public forum. We only get "his" side of the story and "his" impressions of the other pilot in what was probably a less than a minute encounter in what sounds like an awkward an stress elevated moment for both parties. His highlighting her on a public forum, especially since she is a member of a small subset of one company is pathetic and whiny. This kind of snap judgment on a persons character is generally the kind of petty crap I've seen for years out of flamboyant, rainbow flag type FA's who treat pilots or fellow co-workers like lepers for an entire 3-day because of one perceived interpersonal infraction.

Both BJ and the other pilot may have displayed non-verbal cues and the other pilot may have stuck her foot in in mouth by accident. From BJ's story, it sounded like she made the effort to explain the best she could, she had an function to attend and BJ made his judgment about the worthiness of her travel plans compared to his. He simply felt more entitled.

We all screw up, and I'm am certainly not above doing so also. We all step on our ####s and unintentionally p-iss others off, big deal. 99% of the time I find out there is other stuff going on or it's a mistake. Both sides in this case may be a little socially inept, especially with a male/female dynamic. BFD.

My suggestion is for BJ to admit he was totally 100% wrong and apologize on this thread.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

I will openly appologize for bringing this to a public forum. In the heat of the moment I wrote the initial post I was at the other gate trying to list. I was a annoyed at the situation and I was looking for an outlet to vent. When I hit post it was not soon afterwards I even posted that I sounded like a horse's ass. Anything that happened afterwords is just what happens when people argue on the internet. My opinion is that this could have been handled differently on every end but I only have the option to handle myself.

Enough, enough! Most of us got it. It's all ok, lets's move on...

That's right - MOVE ON!

Any post after mine about this will be deleted.

Lots of other tools out there to discuss; this one is like that dead horse.

My butt has been saved by folks giving up the jump on their own metal so that I, an offline jumper, could make it to work (SWA multiple times and AA once). Very nice of them, and I'll never forget and pay it forward at every opportunity.

But nobody is obligated to do that, and who's to say that somebody going to work is more important that another pilot's personal business? Where do you draw the line? Your own wedding? Brother's wedding? Best friend's wedding? Job interview? How about commuting to military reserve duty?

Don't think you have an entitlement to dictate other people's priorities, assume the published priority, and be pleasantly surprised if somebody does you a solid.

Which makes me question why you post at all?

Hang on there... We all need to discuss important airline issues. Sometimes the discussion may become heated. However these discussions usually lead to some sort of resolution. Like other subjects discussed on APC, this too will also fade into cyberspace.

So be patient, sit back relax, and have a cognac and a breadstick:)

Is it safe to post in this thread yet?

Only if you're reporting a new TOTD, or you're self reporting as the TOTD.
Clear?

Brickyard CA RDU-IAD "Welcome aboard our Embraer 175 Regional Jumbo Jet"..... Spit out my coffee and I wasnt even drinking any.

The only regional jumbo jet = Avro RJ85

Why does it have 4 engines?

Because they couldn't fit 6.......

To irritate people like you, of course. And look, it WORKS!

Ok to put the thread back on track.

The capt I flew with...

pushed off the gate, get taxi instructions to the runway.

Delta behind us calls for taxi, ground tells him to follow the ERJ to the runway.

We're in a CRJ and we hadn't started taxiing yet, the capt gets on the radio to correct ground, "Ground we're a Canadair Regional Jet not an Embraer Regional Jet"

Ground apologizes, tells Delta to follow the CRJ to the runway.

Delta "It's still a regional jet"

We still haven't moved yet

He answers Delta "This C-R-J is the fastest regional jet in the sky. We fly Mach .83 what can you do?" (Delta was a 737)

I can't believe this crap is going on and want to yell "OMFG just **** and *********g taxi the d****d plane" Instead I tell him we're holding up progress - we gotta move.

Delta "We make more than you each minute you're sitting here yapping your flaps"

He slow taxis riding and burning up the brakes all the way to the runway. I couldnt help myself and jumped on the radio to apologize to ground and Delta for my captain's behavior.

is there another choice? ;)

To the penalty box for ground stop
To a hard stand for overnight park or maintenance
To the blast fence for an engine run

(crap, I sound like a spell check cop) :D

Maybe, but hilarious none the less.

Is this for real? No one can be that stupid.

I'm gonna throw the BS Card on this one. If it were true the FO would have also added that his Skipper bored him a new one and ratted him out to the CP and DO and his ALPA Rep.

If it was a 9E CRJ9 CA I used to fly with (when he was on the SAAB)...I can totally see this as actually happening.

I can imagine (lifer) minds this small....

Gonna need some initials.

The event happened around 4 years ago in ABQ, it just came to mind when I saw the thread.

Same trip he almost put us into the side of the mountain at GUC, because he wanted to make the PA, "We're coming around the mountain..." doing the left traffic to 24. While he's focusing on making the PA, I tell him his downwind is too tight and we need to widen out the downwind pattern to the right, but he turns base and final anyway. He's making the PA below 2,500RA while handflying the base to final turn. The turn to final is wide and we're about to smack into the side of the mountain right of centerline north of US 50. I tell him to "Escape" to order the GPWS Escape maneuver just as GPWS "Terrain, Terrain, Pull Up Pull Up" goes off. He tries to salvage the approach by steepening the bank below 800 RA triggering Bank Angle. I tell him that if he doesn't go around we're going to interface with the ground and leave a red white and blue Eagle smear on the side of the mountain for Gunnison to remember us by before he TOGAs and goes around.

If you ever flew with RoboCop at MQ, this is the way he is... He'll be a MQ lifer, might take flowthru to AA maybe.

You are posting something from 4 years ago?

Does it make it less TOTD if it's not fresh?

I didn't read the post that required the TOTD be of recent vintage. Then in that case, I'll delete the post.

RoboCop hasn't been at MQ for several years, he took the flow, one of the first.

Yeah, time to pull the tapes if that actually happened.


Today's tool is from the wonderful world of GA:

Plane lands on NC highway after pilot accidentally cuts fuel to engine | WNCN

"pilot accidentally hit the wrong switch, cutting fuel to the engine... after landing the pilot figured out the problem and the switch was turned back on for fuel."

Oooh-kay.

Confused carb heat with fuel shutoff perhaps? :confused: Somebody needs a long talking-to before getting back into the air.

Well, first off "Skipper", we're not in the Navy.
Second, if the captain had tried to "bore me a new one" he would have been disappointed with my lack of caring about his hurt feelings.
Finally, if the DO or CP Were worth their salt, they would have told the captain to pound sand and call Pro Stans, which should have been the first thing the captain should have done if he had a problem.
(The fact that your first reaction seems to be to "rat him out to the CP" speaks volumes...)

Hog

Considering the "rank" structure in airline operations is a direct descendant from the nautical world, your comment indicates either a gross disregard or ignorance of our collective heritage.

"Skipper" is an entirely appropriate moniker for an airline Captain.

It's condescending as well.

The subject of my post was not you "ratting" your Captain out... it would have been your Captain marching up to the Crystal Palace to complain about you for apologizing, unsolicited, for his/her behavior.

The ATC tape, if you I downloaded it, may come in handy for your defense if your Captain desires(ed) to initiate disciplinary actions against you.