If only we had the situational awareness in the cockpit that people on a laptop at Starbucks have.

Forget Starbucks, what about the passengers behind us?

Barring a FlightAware glitch, they most likely are trying to climb out and head to the alternate, at least that's how I read the situation. At the risk of Monday morning QBing, sure looks like those guys let themselves get backed into a corner.

Here's to the tool bag who stole my sunglasses out of the crew room lost and found. The crew who was nice enough to bring them to the lost and found notified me of their return (thank you); but alas, douche-baggery prevailed and some @hole swooped in within 24 hours of my return and stole them.

That is ridiculous and infuriating! Sorry.....


My totd is the ***** pax on my commute flight home today who proceeded to thumb her nose at complying with the rules of bag stowage to the point of confronting the poor FA in the front of the a/c. Glad the FA didn't back down and the pilots backed her up. I was the last one off the plane since I wanted to see if the FA wanted my contact info in case she needed a witness. (this ***** pax was seated next to me, of course...)

She changed her tune when she was detained on the plane before she got off and saw the FO who looked like a Marine Corp drill sergeant. He didn't look amused and I'm sure he ripped her a new one.

Kudos for backing up your crew, sir!

If you clip you ID badge to the outer most edge of your epaulet, you might be a tool.

I just love the holding pattern entry... Reminds me of a hold I did as a new FO at some random VOR/NDB intersection near DTW on the DC-9 back in the early 90's. Planes were stacked everywhere and that fix was all approach had left for us to use (approach controller was absolutely swamped). We eventually got into DTW despite my lousy NDB holding skills.

I believe that was my instrument check ride.

The Piedmont pilot the other day who was horsing around on guard and then forgot to switch back to comm 1 to answer a radio call and had center call him out on it. Got a good chuckle.

Nah, clipping it on your belt is.

My nomination today is a Skywest pilot today who bumped me from the JS as I was trying to commute to work. Now normally I understand these situations, people get bumped all the time and the plane was her own equipment. To be completely fair she had all the right for that seat. Thats was all fine and dandy until she saw me standing at the gate and asked me if I listed. I said yes, I'm trying to go to work. I'm in uniform, she's not and she's also dragging two rollaboards. She looks at me and says "sorry I have an engagement party to go to" and then cheerfully informs me of the other flights that day that really don't get me to my sign in time. I couldn't believe it, absolutely incredible. What comes around goes around.

Nice

:confused: and then?

So let me get this straight....

-There were no other seats except for the one jumpseat?
-There were two pilots for the Skywest jumpseat, you, and the other SkyWest pilot?
-You actually believe that your choice of residence should actually give you some sort of implicit priority for the SkyWest jumpseat over another SkyWest pilot?

Hopefully you can clear this up.

And then I didn't get on. There was one Jumpseat and I was holding the pass in my hand until she arrived at the gate to list herself.

Commuting sucks. Every commuter knows this. Getting that seat to get to work can be one of the most stressful parts of this job. I've given up my seat before to make sure someone else gets to work. Professional curtesy usually prevails in situations like this. I've had pilots give me their seat. I've had Skywest pilots give up their seats for me and I've done the same back for them. To have someone smile at me and say sorry I have a party to go to so good luck figuring out how else to get to work... Well that's on a different level.

Yikes reading this now, I sound like a complete horse'sAss.

It has always been my understanding that proper jumpseat etiquette is that the seat is first and foremost for getting TO work. Yes, it's an option for Non-rev but if it's a matter of me being late to meet my friends in Vegas vs someone not making their show time at work, the guy going to work gets the seat. More than once have I given up the seat to someone who is going TO work when I have had priority when non-revving. I would hope to have the favor returned.

I think your understanding is wrong.
That being said, I have and will do to the same things mentioned by the both of you for the same reasons IF I have other options within reason. Missing my own preplanned activity may or may not be a reason on my own metal.
(FYI, I'm the guy handing the JS's my cellphone # in the gate area before departure in case the agents try to screw them)

So sad too bad... got an issue get a tissue. What's your excuse gonna be next time you're late for report because you don't get the jump seat because airline employees were in line before you. It's you're choice to live about of base and commute. Simple

Living the dream... That's what it's all about.

That sucks but it happens, just take your backup.

See I get all that but my issue was I was initially cleared for the jumpseat. I was holding the physical captains copy. I don't know why the gate agent cleared me so early but that's besides the fact. Right as boarding was to begin, she came up to the counter, saw me standing there and that's when she told me sorry I'm going to list and bump you so I can go to my party. I don't know why she mentioned to me her party or even spoke to me in the first place.

I've been bumped a few times by someone not going to work or home. Yeah, it sucks. But there is no rule saying that the person going to work gets priority over the person going for pleasure. Sure it's very nice when someone offers to give up their seat, but it's not required.


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That's, that's a fact of jumpseating life im not going to argue that. It's happened before and it'll happen again.

I submit this as TOTD, or maybe DOTD...

her metal, she gets priority....i don't see the issue here. Your sob story doesn't change anything. I've been bumped after sitting on the jumpseat for someone that showed up last minute on their own metal....it's part of commuting and in my opinion you are 100% in the wrong here. Could she have handled it better? sure....but she's more entitled to that j/s than you are.

This is a thing?

So you're making a threat? She had every right to the JS on her OWN metal. Not only is jumpseating a privilege, you've got to understand that offline jumpseaters are DEAD LAST in priority behind EVERY category of non-rev. If there's a seat in back, great. Apparently there wasn't or she would have given up the cockpit jumpseat.

Why? Going to work isn't a silver bullet, especially if you're offline. Sounds to me like you didn't plan an appropriate number of backups to make your checkin time. YOUR BAD. Prior planning prevents poor performance.

And complaining about your bad planning makes you an automatic candidate for TOTD.

A threat? Way to read between the lines that aren't there. I meant that as more of a someday she will be in my shoes and need to get somewhere and she's going to get bumped herself. Also it seems you also know what I was doing earlier in the day, because I never wrote how many more flights I tried to get on or what time I got to the airport. Really just classic APC. Bravo, bravo sir. I'm done with this one.

Well you know what's funny, I never said I missed my check in either. I said the rest of the flights weren't really good for making it but I didn't say I couldn't make it. I made my last resort flight, it was absolutely the tightest commute I've ever had to try but I made it. The point of this whole post was more along the theme of trying the help another pilot out and not being a jerk about it if that person can't. But that doesn't let you get your rocks off so hey thats cool, everyone needs a hobby.

I heard that Beechedjet then punched her and stood over her shouting "expressjet rules, expressjet rules"

Why exactly??

Beats wearing it on a lanyard around the neck like a dog.

Personally, I keep mine in my shirt pocket...you want to see it? No problem! Ask for it. It's the only company procedure I blatantly disregard unless I'm on the ramp. Why must I walk around the airport public areas with a badge? Pax dont. Sterile SIDA/Employee areas I understand.

I'm not going to go back and re-read your previous posts but you did suggest the other flights wouldn't help you make your sign in time. That's what I picked up anyway, and it was her airline, it's her jumpseat. Commuting is a pain, plan accordingly. The more time you give yourself, the less stressful it is.

Which is exactly what happened. You took a different flight that got you to work on time and in doing so, you helped her go to an event that was important to her.

Being able to see friends on the other side of the country is one of the few perks left in this career. This industry would be pretty miserable if the jumpseat could only be used for work.

Well the thing was that last flight got me in within minutes of my sign in, she didn't know that was even an option. This whole thing started with her for whatever reason talking to me about the JS and then giving me a "sucks to suck" attitude about it. My gripe has nothing to do with the entire process of jumpseating and priority. That's been pounded into the ground my entire career and it is what it is. We all know that, I feel like some people here think that I'm mad about that. I'm not, I don't like it, but no one likes that aspect. That's why commuting sucks. I'll openly admit right here that I got painted into a corner. I've been bumped before and I've done the bumping but I never just wrote the pilot off with the short end of the stick. On a commute home I've given up my JS, last flight of the day, to someone trying to make an early duty in. I can't expect everyone to have that same attitude, people have lives. I just would never handle the situation the way this pilot did.

You know something, Beech? When you're in a hole its best to stop digging.

It's the Internet, this is what we're suppose to do.

Really Im just waiting for that Zimmerman gif. That'll probably be tomorrow though so...

I don't see what the problem is. Her company metal, her priority. She actually sounds nice if she took the time to look up flights/loads for you to find another option.

I can't even count the number of times (okay, 6) that I had a Delta jumpseat CA pass copy and then 10-15 minutes prior to departure a Delta guy comes and takes the jumpseat. His metal = his priority. The fact she looked up flights for you is a nice gesture on her end.

I'd have to agree 100% with this.

In all my years jumpseating, I rarely even talk to other jumpseaters in the gate area.

And this is one of the reasons why. Not to sound callous, but I don't care if you're going to work or a funeral. Nor do I except you to care where I'm going. Hawaii or work, it doesn't matter.

I don't see how anyone could get angry at someone else just exercising the Jumpseat priority that the various company's have established for them. Or why it matters how many suitcases she had.

It's one thing if she came over and made a point of being a dick to you about bumping you off the flight. But your story doesn't make it sound like that's what happened.

Most companies have commuter policies these days as well.

Well, he's right. Commuting sucks- always has always will.