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07-31-2018, 01:51 PM

#10451

captjns

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Originally Posted by A Squared

Why would the FAA care what a company puts in it's manual about how company employees interact while not aboard the aircraft? Once the the passengers are, deplaned, the logbook signed, the aircraft is powered down and transferred to the ground crews and the crew is in the terminal, walking away, why would the FAA care if the GOM instructs them to all hold hands to the hotel, or scatter to the 4 winds? The FAA has no compelling interest nor jurisdiction at that point.

The FAA does have a vested interest that crewmembers are in compliance, with their duties and responsibilities, I/A/W the Company’s GOM. Conversely, while not mandatory, unless so stated in the GOM, its up to the Captain, if they so desire, to ensure the rest of the crew is provided for. Personally, I’m the last one of the jet, boarding the crew van, and to check in at the hotel. Those new to the airline, or the industry observe my interaction with the cabin crew line training. Consideration, which does go both ways for the most part, goes a long way... that’s all. Nothing to get one’s knickers in a twist... wouldn’t you agree A Squared?

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07-31-2018, 02:00 PM

#10452

A Squared

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Quote:

Originally Posted by captjns

The FAA does have a vested interest that crewmembers are in compliance, with their duties and responsibilities, I/A/W the Company’s GOM.

Uh-huh, but as far as the FAA is concerned, their duties and responsibilities have ended when they are walking away from the airplane.

Suppose that an Airline submitted a GOM to the FAA which contained the statement that once the crew had left the airplane in accordance with their duties and responsibilities, the individuals were on their own recognizance as adults, and the captain had no authority over, or responsibility to them.

What possible basis would the FAA have for objection to that? What jurisdiction would the FAA even have for dictating internal HR policies during times when the crew is not operating the airplane?

07-31-2018, 07:32 PM

#10453

Hrkdrivr

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Originally Posted by Grumbletrousers

Which overnight?

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07-31-2018, 08:09 PM

#10454

Grumbletrousers

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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr

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That hotel has gone downhill fast. That said, sorry to hear about that. It’s such a shame that many will try and do anything to help offline pilots, while a few just **** all that effort away.

08-01-2018, 08:18 PM

#10455

StrykerB21

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The AA guys behind us in ORD today. Ground told us to hold and give way to two incoming aircraft. The AA guy behind us; "We dont stop in ORD you guys!"

We do when were told to give way to traffic you tool.

08-01-2018, 09:13 PM

#10456

450knotOffice

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Oh brother. Slow day in the thread. 🙄

08-02-2018, 05:30 AM

#10457

Dolphinflyer

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Originally Posted by StrykerB21

Cut them some slack. Maybe they got surprised with the stop when 99% of the RJ's usually pull away at +30kts driving like those little cars in a Shriner's parade.

08-02-2018, 07:14 AM

#10458

rickair7777

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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

Oh brother. Slow day in the thread. 🙄

Key the mike and open your trap at your own peril...

08-02-2018, 09:02 AM

#10459

NeverHome

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I was taxiing in ORD once, and saw an AA737 haulin’ serious ass towards the intersection. I stoped, but my FO was trying to give me crap for stopping in ORD. He got a few words out when that 737 burned through the intersection like nobody else was around. At that point I calmly looked at the FO and told him that had I listened to him we might be on the news. Now that’s some TOTD stuff