thinking of RAH?
#21
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 363
Ronaldo-
Your (and all other code share pilots) predicament sucks. Sorry to say that, sincerely. I spent 3 years at the regionals in the 90s and been furloughed a couple times from UAL since then. Hopefully we can get as many of you guys on property as possible over the next major hiring surge and starve the regionals of pilots. Seems like a more realistic goal then trying to raise the pay from the bottom just to be replaced by the next cheapest code share contract. Regionals were never meant to be a career all unto themselves.
Good luck-
KC
Your (and all other code share pilots) predicament sucks. Sorry to say that, sincerely. I spent 3 years at the regionals in the 90s and been furloughed a couple times from UAL since then. Hopefully we can get as many of you guys on property as possible over the next major hiring surge and starve the regionals of pilots. Seems like a more realistic goal then trying to raise the pay from the bottom just to be replaced by the next cheapest code share contract. Regionals were never meant to be a career all unto themselves.
Good luck-
KC
#22
Ronaldo-
Your (and all other code share pilots) predicament sucks. Sorry to say that, sincerely. I spent 3 years at the regionals in the 90s and been furloughed a couple times from UAL since then. Hopefully we can get as many of you guys on property as possible over the next major hiring surge and starve the regionals of pilots. Seems like a more realistic goal then trying to raise the pay from the bottom just to be replaced by the next cheapest code share contract. Regionals were never meant to be a career all unto themselves.
Good luck-
KC
Your (and all other code share pilots) predicament sucks. Sorry to say that, sincerely. I spent 3 years at the regionals in the 90s and been furloughed a couple times from UAL since then. Hopefully we can get as many of you guys on property as possible over the next major hiring surge and starve the regionals of pilots. Seems like a more realistic goal then trying to raise the pay from the bottom just to be replaced by the next cheapest code share contract. Regionals were never meant to be a career all unto themselves.
Good luck-
KC
Right now at republic, staffing levels are just fine especially with the base closure.The reason why they want so many pilots now, is to cover not only their 40 jet order when deliveries start in 2015, but they need pilots before 2013 to cover attrition and flying until at least 2022! So if we don't figure out pay now, it won't ever happen.
Everyone is so up in arms over the $5000 bonus.Its not a big deal at all.Republic has no where to send their new hires. St.Louis can't even handle training the Lynx pilots to fly the EJets! Jetblue, can't spare any time in orlando, Air Canada is hogging all the sim time in montreal. The only option that is seriously being considered right now, is sending the new hire pilots home with a CD, and then when sim time comes-hoping that space opens up in STL, or sending the pilots abroad to the UK.
The pilots will have there way, but they better make it count for the next 10 years!
#23
Keep up the good fight the entire industry is counting on UAL pilots to take back scope and take a stand on outsourcing.
#24
Look folks this "Don't come work for RAH" is really getting out of hand. I'm sure I'm going to get shot by my own colleagues but here it goes.
We are not on strike we are in negotiations. We have leverage on the company with the fact that they are understaffed and are struggeling to find pilots but how can we look ot our fellow industry brothers and sisters and tell them they will be looked down on if they come work at RAH, we need to help them in their time of need so when it is time for us to ask for help they will stand with us. This us vs. them mentality is destroying this once great profession. We are all profesional pilots and need to act as one group, we can be 2000 strong or 60,000 strong. If we all stand with each other this industry will shape up real quick.
All we can do is inform them of the situation and if they want to work under our CBA and are willing to walk with us when the time comes then why should we not welcome them?
This company will go on even if we can't get 1 more pilot to work for us and all it will do is cause us to shrink to staffing levels. We are hurting ourselves, this BS excuse of there is no SIM time anywhere in the world is a way for the company to not show weakness. What it really means is we can't upgrade you becasue we don't have enough FO's to backfill your position.
If we start to hire these Eagle and Pinnacle pilots we will start to see movement again and we all just might upgrade. I would be willing to bet anyone that once our staffing levels for FOs comes back up we will all the sudden find plenty of SIM time.
We put up one hell of a fight last month we flexed our muscels and got noticed by the entire industry. A job well done. Now lets move on to the next fight and keep what we deserve in sight and stop acting like children, we are only hurting ourselves.
We are not on strike we are in negotiations. We have leverage on the company with the fact that they are understaffed and are struggeling to find pilots but how can we look ot our fellow industry brothers and sisters and tell them they will be looked down on if they come work at RAH, we need to help them in their time of need so when it is time for us to ask for help they will stand with us. This us vs. them mentality is destroying this once great profession. We are all profesional pilots and need to act as one group, we can be 2000 strong or 60,000 strong. If we all stand with each other this industry will shape up real quick.
All we can do is inform them of the situation and if they want to work under our CBA and are willing to walk with us when the time comes then why should we not welcome them?
This company will go on even if we can't get 1 more pilot to work for us and all it will do is cause us to shrink to staffing levels. We are hurting ourselves, this BS excuse of there is no SIM time anywhere in the world is a way for the company to not show weakness. What it really means is we can't upgrade you becasue we don't have enough FO's to backfill your position.
If we start to hire these Eagle and Pinnacle pilots we will start to see movement again and we all just might upgrade. I would be willing to bet anyone that once our staffing levels for FOs comes back up we will all the sudden find plenty of SIM time.
We put up one hell of a fight last month we flexed our muscels and got noticed by the entire industry. A job well done. Now lets move on to the next fight and keep what we deserve in sight and stop acting like children, we are only hurting ourselves.
#25
Look folks this "Don't come work for RAH" is really getting out of hand. I'm sure I'm going to get shot by my own colleagues but here it goes.
We are not on strike we are in negotiations. We have leverage on the company with the fact that they are understaffed and are struggeling to find pilots but how can we look ot our fellow industry brothers and sisters and tell them they will be looked down on if they come work at RAH, we need to help them in their time of need so when it is time for us to ask for help they will stand with us. This us vs. them mentality is destroying this once great profession. We are all profesional pilots and need to act as one group, we can be 2000 strong or 60,000 strong. If we all stand with each other this industry will shape up real quick.
All we can do is inform them of the situation and if they want to work under our CBA and are willing to walk with us when the time comes then why should we not welcome them?
This company will go on even if we can't get 1 more pilot to work for us and all it will do is cause us to shrink to staffing levels. We are hurting ourselves, this BS excuse of there is no SIM time anywhere in the world is a way for the company to not show weakness. What it really means is we can't upgrade you becasue we don't have enough FO's to backfill your position.
If we start to hire these Eagle and Pinnacle pilots we will start to see movement again and we all just might upgrade. I would be willing to bet anyone that once our staffing levels for FOs comes back up we will all the sudden find plenty of SIM time.
We put up one hell of a fight last month we flexed our muscels and got noticed by the entire industry. A job well done. Now lets move on to the next fight and keep what we deserve in sight and stop acting like children, we are only hurting ourselves.
We are not on strike we are in negotiations. We have leverage on the company with the fact that they are understaffed and are struggeling to find pilots but how can we look ot our fellow industry brothers and sisters and tell them they will be looked down on if they come work at RAH, we need to help them in their time of need so when it is time for us to ask for help they will stand with us. This us vs. them mentality is destroying this once great profession. We are all profesional pilots and need to act as one group, we can be 2000 strong or 60,000 strong. If we all stand with each other this industry will shape up real quick.
All we can do is inform them of the situation and if they want to work under our CBA and are willing to walk with us when the time comes then why should we not welcome them?
This company will go on even if we can't get 1 more pilot to work for us and all it will do is cause us to shrink to staffing levels. We are hurting ourselves, this BS excuse of there is no SIM time anywhere in the world is a way for the company to not show weakness. What it really means is we can't upgrade you becasue we don't have enough FO's to backfill your position.
If we start to hire these Eagle and Pinnacle pilots we will start to see movement again and we all just might upgrade. I would be willing to bet anyone that once our staffing levels for FOs comes back up we will all the sudden find plenty of SIM time.
We put up one hell of a fight last month we flexed our muscels and got noticed by the entire industry. A job well done. Now lets move on to the next fight and keep what we deserve in sight and stop acting like children, we are only hurting ourselves.
There is sim time available for now, for the current 170/190 group, not for lynx , not for new hires.
Pilots at RP have all the leverage they need. However comfortable captains at RP don't really care about all the same things a 6 year FO does. Secondly there is no Brotherhood.
#26
Once again , there is no shortage of pilots at RP.
There is sim time available for now, for the current 170/190 group, not for lynx , not for new hires.
Pilots at RP have all the leverage they need. However comfortable captains at RP don't really care about all the same things a 6 year FO does. Secondly there is no Brotherhood.
There is sim time available for now, for the current 170/190 group, not for lynx , not for new hires.
Pilots at RP have all the leverage they need. However comfortable captains at RP don't really care about all the same things a 6 year FO does. Secondly there is no Brotherhood.
#27
I understand what your saying but you have to get the facts straight, we dont have leverage for the reasons i posted we have leverage because the company itself has pretty much nowhere to go , when it comes to this pay issue.They know that if it isn't fixed now, they will have to go through with this again in a few years time.
#28
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Under beer over couch after skool
Posts: 316
In the recent lawsuit they allude to the fact that they have some flying on the horizon, but they also insinuate that the market for pilots will only get more competitive. Finally the company mumbles about the training process taking about 3 months. NORMALLY we furlough or announce massive schedule reductions around September timeframe.
I guess the problems this year are 1) RAH planners are squeezed by the attrition of about 1 pilot per day, 2) by less-than usual mainline schedule reductions for fall/winter 3) rest rules, ATP redefinition NPRM, Mayan calendar etc...Thus, I think the problem may be more acute than we realize.
We lost about 10% of my base in the last two months, and I expect that number to go to 15-20% before summer is over based on the number of guys with applications outstanding.
I guess the problems this year are 1) RAH planners are squeezed by the attrition of about 1 pilot per day, 2) by less-than usual mainline schedule reductions for fall/winter 3) rest rules, ATP redefinition NPRM, Mayan calendar etc...Thus, I think the problem may be more acute than we realize.
We lost about 10% of my base in the last two months, and I expect that number to go to 15-20% before summer is over based on the number of guys with applications outstanding.
Last edited by Ronaldo; 04-03-2012 at 12:08 PM. Reason: Do we even know the mainline fall/winter flying yet?
#30
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Under beer over couch after skool
Posts: 316
79 people gave up on this dump this month. Company managed to recruit 19, so a net loss of 60, or two people quitting per day. Imagine what will happen when people start hiring. I hope we close the doors on this place. Last one out, please turn off the lights...
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