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Old 03-07-2012, 01:07 PM
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But you did give me a good idea, it will rain one day, so I am going to open my umbrella now. Why wait?
The only way this analogy is valid is if you stipulate it takes 20 years to open the umbrella.

Why cede an industrial boom to China or Germany at the same time we need good manufacturing jobs? Renewable technology is in demand all over the world.
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The only way this analogy is valid is if you stipulate it takes 20 years to open the umbrella.

Why cede an industrial boom to China or Germany at the same time we need good manufacturing jobs? Renewable technology is in demand all over the world.
We only cede an industrial boom to china or germany if their party hacks pick better winners and loser than our party hacks. Wait you have a point.
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Originally Posted by N2264J
The only way this analogy is valid is if you stipulate it takes 20 years to open the umbrella.

Why cede an industrial boom to China or Germany at the same time we need good manufacturing jobs? Renewable technology is in demand all over the world.
That is wonderful news. Please share your experience with us, describe your electric car, solar plant or whatever. I think we would all enjoy hearing about your real world experience.

I am still doing cartwheels over the very special light bulbs some of us have taken the time to describe and share their experience with us here.
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Originally Posted by jungle
The markets are going to pick the winners no matter how we feel.
A statement that could not be more untrue.......unless of course, you think that McDonald's food is a "winner".

No matter how much one fantasizes, the "markets" are not the be all, end all to public policy.
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People, look. Oil is a commodity sold on a WORLD market. Any oil drilled here still gets traded as a future on said world market. Whether it's drilled here or in Timbuktu doesn't really matter for the purposes of "drill baby drill". Quit blindly watching Faux News.
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The gasoline taxes we pay at the pump do not even cover the cost of the roads and bridges we drive on, not to mention other expenses.

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Originally Posted by LeftWing
People, look. Oil is a commodity sold on a WORLD market. Any oil drilled here still gets traded as a future on said world market. Whether it's drilled here or in Timbuktu doesn't really matter for the purposes of "drill baby drill". Quit blindly watching Faux News.
And increasing supply does not do anything to the price in your msnbc mind?
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The gasoline taxes we pay at the pump do not even cover the cost of the roads and bridges we drive on, not to mention other expenses.

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All the federal taxes we pay only covers 60% of the federal budget so what is your point? That taxes aren't the problem spending is? If so good point.
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Originally Posted by LeftWing
A statement that could not be more untrue.......unless of course, you think that McDonald's food is a "winner".

No matter how much one fantasizes, the "markets" are not the be all, end all to public policy.

Just a guess, but you spent years in a public school where ketchup was declared a vegetable.

You are right, we would be much better off if the masters of the universe would just declare what is good and bad, no more confusing choices. Then we could happily lap up the products of government monopolies, even though they are substandard by any measure and a private citizen would be jailed for selling the same thing.

The markets are not public policy, they are the choices made by real people and they are far more demanding and perceptive and flexible than any public policy ever could be.

Public policy has given us debt, SS, the Volt, public schools, USPS, and a host of other failures-they were of course right to saddle us all with 15 trillion in debt, we needed that, we were just too stupid to know it.
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Originally Posted by Winged Wheeler
Some strong opinions on various sides of a complex issue. Some opinions more convincing (to me) than others, but all valid points of view. A very clear demonstration why micro-management by central planners and crony-capitalists does not work. Eliminate tax and regulatory price distortions for all players (including oil companies) and let the market find efficient and suitable solutions for all.

My prediction: in 10 years natural gas vehicles will be the top sellers in the US marketplace and the fuel will be so cheap you won't care what the mileage is.

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From today's real clear energy (RealClearEnergy - Opinion, News, Analysis), an entire section on natural gas vehicles:

Chrysler to sell natural gas-powered truck - Boston.com

GM introducing natural gas-powered pickups | Fox News

Honda eyes natural gas pumps | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Another Natural Gas Fueling Station Boost: 'CNG In A Box'

Growing Customer Support for Natural Gas Vehicles Convinces Companies

Natural gas replacing gasoline? | 4 Your Money - Home

The quote I liked best was from the aol article:

"Bipartisan bills intended to boost the use of natural gas as a fuel source have languished in Congress, but use of the fuel has picked up regardless and plans are spreading to utilize it for a number of applications."

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