Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Pilot Lounge > Hangar Talk
If you had a choice for a new type >

If you had a choice for a new type

Search

Notices
Hangar Talk For non-aviation-related discussion and aviation threads that don't belong elsewhere
View Poll Results: Which would you choose
737
13
68.42%
757 / 767
4
21.05%
CE-500
0
0%
CE-525
2
10.53%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

If you had a choice for a new type

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-28-2011, 11:51 AM
  #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Time2Fly's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 258
Default If you had a choice for a new type

So I am being furloughed for a 2nd time and went down and talked to the unemployment people today and it sounds like I should qualify for the WIA program which will pay up to 8k for a new type. So out of the approved list it looks like I could get a 737, 75/67, CE-500 or CE-525. Looks like it would cover all of the 737, the 75/67 is about 12k so I would have to cover the difference and it looks like both the CE-500&525 are around 9k so again I would be out of pocket for the difference. Which one would you get and why?

Thanks for taking the time to respond
Time2Fly is offline  
Old 12-28-2011, 01:52 PM
  #2  
Flying Farmer
 
Ewfflyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Turbo-props' and John Deere's
Posts: 3,160
Default

Well, are you wanting to make a jump to the 135 or 91 world? Then that's the only reason I'd go with those planes.
Ewfflyer is offline  
Old 12-28-2011, 02:02 PM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Time2Fly's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 258
Default

Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
Well, are you wanting to make a jump to the 135 or 91 world? Then that's the only reason I'd go with those planes.


I'm assuming you’re referring to the Cessna types. Right now I feel like I need more flight time to find/qualify for the (hopefully) last job I would need. So the airlines work great at time building compared to 200hrs a year flying 91 although I would love to end up doing something like that or if it was an option to do some of that on the side when available.

I just want to get the ATP and the type is a really nice bonus if I can get it paid for through this program.

One other difference between the programs is that I believe the training for the 500/525 is done in the aircraft so I would actually have a little time in type where the others would just be the type..
Time2Fly is offline  
Old 12-28-2011, 02:16 PM
  #4  
Moderate Moderator
 
UAL T38 Phlyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Curator at Static Display
Posts: 5,681
Default

A type-rating without time in the aircraft won't get you hired at most places. At smaller 135 and 91 companies, it is usually an insurance issue.

Save your WIA until you have a job-offer where you could use it, and then you can be specific.

What I found, though in 2005 (Lear 35): I could pay for it myself, for about $9k. The WIA rate ("Approved Course") was $14k, and the WIA paid about $5k.

Huh? So, my out of pocket is the same, but at least the Government was charged an additional $5k?

I found one eventually where it saved me a small amount, but the major training companies are working this scam, and their VA and WIA prices are higher than the regular price.
UAL T38 Phlyer is offline  
Old 12-28-2011, 07:47 PM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Airhoss's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,726
Default

A type-rating without time in the aircraft won't get you hired at most places. At smaller 135 and 91 companies, it is usually an insurance issue.
Except for SWA. They'd rather you had your 737 type and zero time in type than multiple thousands of hours of 737 time and no type. As long as you've got the magic 1,000 PIC turbine that is.
Airhoss is offline  
Old 12-28-2011, 11:07 PM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Senior Skipper's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: the correct seat
Posts: 1,422
Default

Originally Posted by Airhoss
... multiple thousands of hours of 737 time and no type.
How would you manage to log time without a type rating?
Senior Skipper is offline  
Old 12-29-2011, 05:23 AM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
poor pilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 574
Default

Best thing would be to work out a deal for a G4/G5 type.
poor pilot is offline  
Old 12-29-2011, 06:06 AM
  #8  
Chief Jeppesen Updater
 
FlyerJosh's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Executive Transport Driver
Posts: 3,080
Default

Originally Posted by Senior Skipper
How would you manage to log time without a type rating?
As an FO. Although these days almost everybody has a type rating restricted to "SIC privileges only" it's not required if operating domestically.
FlyerJosh is offline  
Old 12-29-2011, 06:10 AM
  #9  
Chief Jeppesen Updater
 
FlyerJosh's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Executive Transport Driver
Posts: 3,080
Default

Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
A type-rating without time in the aircraft won't get you hired at most places. At smaller 135 and 91 companies, it is usually an insurance issue.

Save your WIA until you have a job-offer where you could use it, and then you can be specific.
If the OP doesn't have his ATP, then that's really what the WIA funds are paying for. The type rating is incidental to the experience.

One other thing I would check is to see if you can work a deal to get a PIC type rating in the aircraft you were flying prior to being furloughed. I did that in 2005 then was able to short term contract with several internationally based companies on a day rate flying the CRJ.

Otherwise, the CE525 is a good choice if you want to get out of the airlines and the 737 is popular if you ever aspire to work for SWA down the road.
FlyerJosh is offline  
Old 12-29-2011, 06:12 AM
  #10  
Chief Jeppesen Updater
 
FlyerJosh's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Executive Transport Driver
Posts: 3,080
Default

Originally Posted by poor pilot
Best thing would be to work out a deal for a G4/G5 type.
Without applicable experience it's really nothing but something cool on your resume. Not to mention the type is in excess of 30K, which WIA most likely won't cover.
FlyerJosh is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Panama Jack
Aviation Law
14
01-29-2013 12:12 PM
vagabond
Cargo
32
09-22-2011 06:04 AM
HSLD
Pilot Health
0
12-12-2006 11:06 PM
Hunt599
Major
23
09-14-2006 07:04 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices