block30

A thousand times this! This is what really bothers me. I don't care that hippies and others want to save the environment or talk about saving the environment. I love the environment too. It's the legal control and silencing that bothers me. Now big government control is cool when it's their guys doing the controlling.

I don't have a child in school yet, but judging by my college experience- and shoot, my public school education growing up- I'd imagine it's a pretty one sided conversation with questioning or dissenting voices shamed.

PS, NPR is alllllll about climate change. I don't know I've ever heard them run a dissenting bit on climate change. They have clearly taken a stance on the matter. End weak rant.

Flytolive

How does this work exactly? Can you give us three specific examples?

If this thread is any indication the evidence is overwhelming and one-sided. Should news agencies give equal time to demonstrably incorrect viewpoints?

SayAlt

You and this thread remind me of a joke, Flytolive.

I'll make it obvious as to why that is with the hope it's not lost on you, however hopeless that really is.

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One day Flytolive decided that he was going to prove his manhood by hunting and killing a grizzly bear. So he went to the gun store and bought a good rifle and scope along with some ammo, then headed out to the range to get it sighted in and practice his shooting.

Well sir, by the time bear season rolled around ol' FTL was ready. He even had a likely spot in the woods picked out as he'd seen bear scat there on a few pre-season scouting trips. It was a meadow about 50 yards wide with wild berry plants in it. So he loaded up and headed out to get his bear.

A few hours later FTL was in his spot, camo'd up, face paint and scent block on, the whole sheebang. He was there a while, but just when he was about to pick up and leave he saw it! A big, huge male grizz...wandering into the meadow in front of him.

"He's mine", FTL said to himself. Carefully raising his rifle, he took a steady aim.

BAM!

FTL quickly looked up after the shot, but he didn't see anything. The meadow was empty. "Dang it", he said out loud, "I know I hit that sucker!" So he left his hide to go look for blood where the bear had been.

"He was right HERE", FTL said when he got to the spot where the bear had been. "I just don't get it", he said as he scratched his head.

Just then, FTL felt a tap on his shoulder. When he turned to look, the bear was standing right there behind him! With one quick swipe the bear broke FTL's rifle in two, threw FTL to the ground, and rolled him over. Then the bear revenented poor ol' FTL right there. When he was finished, the bear just sauntered off like nothing had happened.

Well ol' FTL was mad as a hatter! All he could think about was Leonardo DiCaprio and getting even with that bear on the long drive home. Of course, getting to the car had been quite a challenge because he couldn't walk very well with his sore backside and all.

The next morning, FTL was already at the gun store when it opened. "You sold me a POS rifle", he told the manager. "I want a REAL bear killing rifle and I don't care what it costs!" So the manager sets him up with a Savage .338 Lapua with a Leupold VX-R scope. "This'll kill anything short of an elephant", the manager told him. "It dam sure better!", FTL said.

So about a week later....after he had healed up some and practiced with his new rifle...FTL went back to his meadow to kill the bear that had done him so wrong. He made sure to bring plenty of food, too, because he was going to stay there until he got his bear.

Days passed, and the bear never showed up. Other bears did, but not the one FTL was after. He was beginning to think he might never see that bear again and never get his revenge, when all of a sudden there he was! Walking into the meadow in the exact same spot where it had all went down before. FTL couldn't hardly believe his eyes.

"I'm gonna kill that ******g bear this time!", FTL muttered under his breath. Slowly, carefully, FTL raised the rifle to his shoulder. The bear seemed very relaxed and intent on eating some berries, totally unaware that FTL was there. FTL took his time, got a good sight picture dead on where the bear's heart would be, concentrated on his breathing, and ever-so-slowly began squeezing the trigger.

BAM!

"Dead for sure!", FTL exclaimed as he looked up to see his kill. But the meadow was empty. No bear, and no bear carcass. FTL couldn't believe it. He had been so careful! He KNEW he had made a great shot. It just wasn't possible he had missed his bear. Furious, FTL made his way down to the clearing. "Probably mortally wounded him", thinking to himself. But when he got to the spot where the bear had been, there was no bear, no blood, no nothing.

FTL let out a long string of curse words. He just knew he was right and had killed the bear, except it just wasn't there. Boy, was he mad!

Just then, FTL felt a tap on his shoulder. When he turned to look, the bear was standing right there behind him again. With one quick swipe the bear broke FTL's Savage in two, threw him to the ground, and rolled him over. But just before he started in on poor ol' FTL again, he said...

"Say fella, you're not really here for the huntin', are ya!?"

SayAlt

Here's yet another eco-nutcase (that good ol' FTL will once again pretend doesn't exist) who wants to prosecute anyone who doesn't share his ideology in an Op-Ed he entitled "Climate Change Deniers Deserve Punishment"...

Michael E. Kraft: Climate-change deniers deserve punishment - Opinion - providencejournal.com - Providence, RI

block30

To your first point, myself and others already have!!
Secondly, I'm not talking equal air time, but allowing some other sides speak their point of view, but NPR has taken a clear stance on the matter. You're really being obtuse and not acknowledging what others have posted.

Flytolive

I haven't seen one real example of what you claim only hysterical confusion regarding the fact that free speech is a two-way street on any issue. If you cannot point out real examples then your opinion is by definition baseless.

As for the issue the evidence is as overwhelming as this thread is. Cartoons, bloggers and big oil pawns are no match for data and the overwhelming consensus of climate scientists.

SayAlt

Lulz

Riiiiight. That's why you fear-mongering warmers are now threatening prosecution...because your consensus is so over-whelming!

Do you click your heels together when you practice your goose-stepping?

CanoePilot

Flytolive just doesn't know when to quit or when he's been beaten.

Adlerdriver

So.... consensus is the gold standard now? Whether they can actually prove it or not, if we can get enough "scientists" to agree and come to a consensus, then it must be true.

What, exactly, is the scientifically proven factual conclusion.....oh, I mean consensus, these people of science are all in agreement over?

1 - That the global climate is changing (warmer, colder, whatever)? My God, the end is near - it's never done THAT before.
or
2 - That the global climate is changing and somehow we can stop it from doing so? Yeahhhh, I'm sure there's mountains of "data" proving that.
or
3 - That the global climate is changing, it's definitely the fault of human presence on the earth AND we can stop it? Utter foolishness.

I'll give you a hint (the answer is #1). The only thing any real scientist, pseudo-scientist with an agenda, Al Gore or any other climate change fool can actually prove without a doubt is that the global climate changes and always has.

Connecting any other dots and arriving at "consensus" about a conclusion beyond that is agenda driven supposition.

Flytolive

Still having trouble with that rate of change concept, eh? Let me guess, calculus wasn't your favorite subject.