Majors are starting to hire(wild speculation)
10-31-2011, 01:09 PM
#21
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Delta just inked a deal with UND and ASA to hire UND prescreened candidates. Good luck to off the street hires when Delta is doing this defacto self funded ab-initio program. The majors could get all their needs filled by programs like this and by hiring the traditional military pilots. This way they will get "squeaky clean" newhires who have no dirty laundry (busted checkrides) for the media to feast over in the event of an accident.
UND forms partnership with Atlantic Southeast Airlines and Delta | 10 | 2011 | News | The University of North Dakota
UND forms partnership with Atlantic Southeast Airlines and Delta | 10 | 2011 | News | The University of North Dakota
10-31-2011, 01:10 PM
#22
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This is a repeat of a deal they had with ERAU and a few other University's in the 90's. The canned it when several new hires at ASA smoked a few motors and generally just sucked... Worked out for a very small handful of individuals. Also doesn't address the 1500 hour rule.
Graduates from accredited aviation universities like UND will be given waivers for the time requirements. RJ courses taught in advanced level D full motion simulators will accurately replicate the engine start sequence and allow for start malfunctions to be integrated. Thereby ensuring the candidate knows the proper procedures for start malfunctions. Plus the high fidelity of todays simulators allow for full flights to be conducted safely and for mistakes to be corrected. University classes consisting of advanced jet aircraft systems, aerodynamics and high altitude meteorology ensure the candidate is knowledgable about their work environment. CRM and human factors theory classes ensure candidates will be an effective and valuable member of the crew, able to do his duties and offer assistance to the Captain.
10-31-2011, 01:12 PM
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Graduates from accredited aviation universities like UND will be given waivers for the time requirements. RJ courses taught in advanced level D full motion simulators will accurately replicate the engine start sequence and allow for start malfunctions to be integrated. Thereby ensuring the candidate knows the proper procedures for start malfunctions. Plus the high fidelity of todays simulators allow for full flights to be conducted safely and for mistakes to be corrected. University classes consisting of advanced jet aircraft systems, aerodynamics and high altitude meteorology ensure the candidate is knowledgable about their work environment. CRM and human factors theory classes ensure candidates will be an effective and valuable member of the crew, able to do his duties and offer assistance to the Captain.
10-31-2011, 01:14 PM
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Graduates from accredited aviation universities like UND will be given waivers for the time requirements. RJ courses taught in advanced level D full motion simulators will accurately replicate the engine start sequence and allow for start malfunctions to be integrated. Thereby ensuring the candidate knows the proper procedures for start malfunctions. Plus the high fidelity of todays simulators allow for full flights to be conducted safely and for mistakes to be corrected. University classes consisting of advanced jet aircraft systems, aerodynamics and high altitude meteorology ensure the candidate is knowledgable about their work environment. CRM and human factors theory classes ensure candidates will be an effective and valuable member of the crew, able to do his duties and offer assistance to the Captain.
10-31-2011, 01:32 PM
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The number at Continental is presently 24/month and is supposed to be increasing to 32/month after the first of the year.
I'm sorry, too sarcastic? 
The facts are that UCON is not recalling, the trickle of new hires at S-CAL are due to job protections in the TP&A. There are well defined procedural steps that that company must follow under this document with respect to pilot manpower. Pilots have the ability to bypass, at least twice, on the S-CAL offer which does NOT affect recall rights at S-UAL. As stated above, UCON is NOT recalling pilots, and S-UAL pilots retain their recall rights.
The reality is that manpower needs will most likely further shrink before age 65 retirements become a factor. In fact there are still current in-house leaves of absence offers available to pilots. Hardly the policy of manpower shortages.
The facts are that UCON is not recalling, the trickle of new hires at S-CAL are due to job protections in the TP&A. There are well defined procedural steps that that company must follow under this document with respect to pilot manpower. Pilots have the ability to bypass, at least twice, on the S-CAL offer which does NOT affect recall rights at S-UAL. As stated above, UCON is NOT recalling pilots, and S-UAL pilots retain their recall rights.
The reality is that manpower needs will most likely further shrink before age 65 retirements become a factor. In fact there are still current in-house leaves of absence offers available to pilots. Hardly the policy of manpower shortages.
10-31-2011, 01:47 PM
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The S-UAL furloughed pilots who accept the S-CAL offer are obviously are eager and happy to have income, but they are still not being recalled to the UAL list. The point may be semantic to some, but kind of a big deal to others. Until there is a SOC, JCBA, and SLI - the UAL pilots are being offered a preferential employment at a different airline, and it's UAL ALPAs job to bring them back to their rightful place on a joint list.
I just wanted to point out the difference between recall and preferential hiring at another airline. The remark about SLI integration for UAL furloughees will be decided by an arbitrator and I'm sorry if it comes across as inflammatory, it's not. I know both MECs will do their very best to represent the respective groups.
10-31-2011, 01:57 PM
#27
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I understand the nuance and respectfully offer that S-CAL hiring furloughed S-UAL pilots is still not a UAL pilot recall. The latest offers from S-CAL adds to the history of UAL ALPA negotiating preferential hiring at other airlines for furloughed pilots.
The S-UAL furloughed pilots who accept the S-CAL offer are obviously are eager and happy to have income, but they are still not being recalled to the UAL list. The point may be semantic to some, but kind of a big deal to others. Until there is a SOC, JCBA, and SLI - the UAL pilots are being offered a preferential employment at a different airline, and it's UAL ALPAs job to bring them back to their rightful place on a joint list.
I just wanted to point out the difference between recall and preferential hiring at another airline. The remark about SLI integration for UAL furloughees will be decided by an arbitrator and I'm sorry if it comes across as inflammatory, it's not. I know both MECs will do their very best to represent the respective groups.
The S-UAL furloughed pilots who accept the S-CAL offer are obviously are eager and happy to have income, but they are still not being recalled to the UAL list. The point may be semantic to some, but kind of a big deal to others. Until there is a SOC, JCBA, and SLI - the UAL pilots are being offered a preferential employment at a different airline, and it's UAL ALPAs job to bring them back to their rightful place on a joint list.
I just wanted to point out the difference between recall and preferential hiring at another airline. The remark about SLI integration for UAL furloughees will be decided by an arbitrator and I'm sorry if it comes across as inflammatory, it's not. I know both MECs will do their very best to represent the respective groups.
10-31-2011, 01:59 PM
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Graduates from accredited aviation universities like UND will be given waivers for the time requirements. RJ courses taught in advanced level D full motion simulators will accurately replicate the engine start sequence and allow for start malfunctions to be integrated. Thereby ensuring the candidate knows the proper procedures for start malfunctions. Plus the high fidelity of todays simulators allow for full flights to be conducted safely and for mistakes to be corrected. University classes consisting of advanced jet aircraft systems, aerodynamics and high altitude meteorology ensure the candidate is knowledgable about their work environment. CRM and human factors theory classes ensure candidates will be an effective and valuable member of the crew, able to do his duties and offer assistance to the Captain.
10-31-2011, 04:26 PM
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Just curious Czechairman, for someone who insinuates to work for FedEx, how come the over the top woodie for pax airlines, and more specifically, the cheerleading for low time wannabes and Gojet support in other threads?
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