Flight plan: French Guiana - Paris
08-02-2011, 04:58 PM
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Flight plan: French Guiana - Paris
Hello,
Can anyone tell me how to identify the fastest route between Cayenne-Rochambeau (French Guiana) and Paris (Orly), as well as the waypoints en route?
I have seen a few aeronautical charts of the Central Atlantic, including Santa Maria and Piarco FIRs -- but none of these charts show any waypoints more than 500 miles from the South American mainland!
How would a modern jetliner navigate across the Central Atlantic, (specifically from CAY to ORY would be great!!), and how can I see the waypoints along the way?
Cheers and many thanks in advance!
Mark P.
Can anyone tell me how to identify the fastest route between Cayenne-Rochambeau (French Guiana) and Paris (Orly), as well as the waypoints en route?
I have seen a few aeronautical charts of the Central Atlantic, including Santa Maria and Piarco FIRs -- but none of these charts show any waypoints more than 500 miles from the South American mainland!
How would a modern jetliner navigate across the Central Atlantic, (specifically from CAY to ORY would be great!!), and how can I see the waypoints along the way?
Cheers and many thanks in advance!
Mark P.
08-02-2011, 05:06 PM
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My guess is that it would be a random route across the Atlantic. If you go to FlightAware and look at Air France 423 from CDG to BOG you can get an idea. Looking for those exact city pair would take a bit of research, but this would be pretty close. The points across the Atlantic will be lat/long only anyway for the most part, so you can get an idea. The rest you can get from looking at some charts on either side of the Atlantic. Shouldn't be all that hard to gen up a FP..
08-02-2011, 05:59 PM
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tsquare, thanks for your response!
Can I confirm the following:
1) Even if an aircraft has satellite navigation capability, once it passes the last named VOR waypoint (in my case, about 700 miles offshore), it will report its position using latitude/longitude, until it approaches land again on the other side of the ocean, and more named VOR waypoints. Correct?
2) The satellite nav systems don't introduce their own overlay of named waypoints, Correct?
Many, many thanks -- very helpful input! And I'm very appreciative of your knowledgeable input.
Cheers!
Can I confirm the following:
1) Even if an aircraft has satellite navigation capability, once it passes the last named VOR waypoint (in my case, about 700 miles offshore), it will report its position using latitude/longitude, until it approaches land again on the other side of the ocean, and more named VOR waypoints. Correct?
2) The satellite nav systems don't introduce their own overlay of named waypoints, Correct?
Many, many thanks -- very helpful input! And I'm very appreciative of your knowledgeable input.
Cheers!
08-02-2011, 06:29 PM
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tsquare, thanks for your response!
Can I confirm the following:
1) Even if an aircraft has satellite navigation capability, once it passes the last named VOR waypoint (in my case, about 700 miles offshore), it will report its position using latitude/longitude, until it approaches land again on the other side of the ocean, and more named VOR waypoints. Correct?
2) The satellite nav systems don't introduce their own overlay of named waypoints, Correct?
Many, many thanks -- very helpful input! And I'm very appreciative of your knowledgeable input.
Cheers!
Can I confirm the following:
1) Even if an aircraft has satellite navigation capability, once it passes the last named VOR waypoint (in my case, about 700 miles offshore), it will report its position using latitude/longitude, until it approaches land again on the other side of the ocean, and more named VOR waypoints. Correct?
2) The satellite nav systems don't introduce their own overlay of named waypoints, Correct?
Many, many thanks -- very helpful input! And I'm very appreciative of your knowledgeable input.
Cheers!
If you cross a named waypoint, use the name. If it is random or a defined track you report based upon cross/time vs speed (typically every 10 degrees).
What type of aircraft and how many RNAV systems are on it? is it rvsm?
You might want to do a quick review of Minimum navigation performance specifications (MNPS) because they will likely apply (they apply in the north atlantic) since you are going to france. They specify nav equipment and communication requirements and now rvsm standards.
Your reporting requirements and various other important information is included in the border of the atlantic charts - some of the information applies all the time other info is by exception or emergency or applies to one sector and not another.
It is not overly complicated, but if you are not MNPS certified, it will limit the altitude at which you can file.
I would guess without looking at a chart that your route would skirt the carribean islands, bermuda and or lajes if i doesnt and you are a 2 engine aircraft, you should skirt them since extended two engine operations may apply (unless you are part 91 and then it only applies sometimes.) You dont want to be alone and unafraid 3 hours from land and lose an engine.
This is probably too much information, but start with mnps, and see if you are legal then you will know what altitude you can file. Look at your direct routing and adjust it to keep you not too far from land. Position reports will be based upon your actual route clearance. Double check your clearance against what is programmed to make sure the two match exactly.
08-02-2011, 08:04 PM
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Computer flight planning software, but requires subscription that isn't cheap. That one was done on ARINC, but Jepp, Air Routing, and Universal have similar online programs, all require subscriptions. That's also why I posted only the routing, not further details.
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