jungle

Karma, dogma, Darwin. At this point in the program we normally run cute photos of puppies and kittens while the soft strains of zithers and pan pipes play in the background.

11Fan

"Why can't we all just get along?"

tsquare

Two years from now she will be a footnote. She's not gonna be that famous, because frankly her music wasn't that noteworthy. (No pun intended)

I do think the world would be worse if not for Michelangelo, Picasso, Brunelleschi, Mozart, Bach, Elvis, The Beatles.... among many others...

tsquare

While I will give you a little latitude with this argument (because there is much truth in the fact that many FAMOUS, and TALENTED artists have had their trials and tribulations) for many of the hacks out there, is is a convenient excuse for their ineptitudes. Lindsey Lohan is a good example.. Amy Winehouse may be another. Really.. her music wasn't THAT good, and I just don't think she had anything to say other than to write/sing about her personal problems.. yawn. Kurt Kobain was actually a pioneer in grunge, but since the movement died a quick death it remains to be seen how history will recognize him.. I think not more than a footnote there either. Anyway, like I said in another post, it takes a lot to be a Michelangelo or Coltrane... I can forgive the quick burners their mistakes, but just because they died at an early age doesn't mean that they really contributed anything

Cubdriver

The image of the typical self-destructive artist like Ms. Winehouse, or one of the many others in the long list who died supposedly in the service of art may not be all that meaningful to some like Mr. Hoss. And I understand that. But as FAA pilots we know about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and the top rung of the needs pyramid is self-actualization.

Wiki article on Self actualization

The top rung is about realizing ones higher (highest) self, not the self who enjoys laying around writing sarcastic put downs. Art in it many forms has traditionally been one such means of self actualization. In the wiki article, creativity is specifically mentioned as one of the ways a person can meet their deepest or greatest need in life. The other way is to rally at neo-centrist political functions, but I digress.

forumname

Interesting take, so it's all about the self? Like being completely selfish, going down a bad/self (there's that word again) destructive road, with little thought for those around them. As well as the art form in which they express themselves. Again, interesting

‪Wikipedia‬‏ - YouTube

And for those not really paying attention, it's not JUST FAA pilots contributing, don't think it really matters anyway.

Airhoss

Cub

I grew up in Santa Fe NM around thousands of suffering artists. I figured out a long time ago that the whole scene is a bunch of self serving mamby pamby BS. But thanks for your attempt to educate us lesser aware beings.

FDXLAG

Wow I had all those dead rappers wrong.

Dead Rappers List & Murdered Rappers | Hip Hop Pow

Cubdriver

Why do you guys have to be so sarcastic with what amounts to a supported argument about self development and how art can be used to support creativity (Maslow and the heirarchy of needs)? I sense more than a smidgeon of anger from you fellows and I hear put downs, thinly veiled hatred, and mostly unsupported rejection of artists and those who benefit from their work. Why are you so threatened? If your own values are so easily threatened, maybe it's time to clarify them. I suggest you try and see why your own values would have you preclude the peaceful appreciation of values that happen to differ from your own. That's what we learn in high school.

If I say I like chocolate ice cream and you happen to hate chocolate ice cream, do you really need to hate me for that opinion? Am I making any sense here? And couldn't you try chocolate every now and then and see if it's really so bad? I don't happen to like British Croquet but when I come across a game on tv and people are obviously enjoying it, I feel mildly happy for them and then I quickly move on to the History Channel and NASCAR. Life is too short to spend it hating others and the things they choose in order to discover meaning in life. I do not happen to like rap music but I recognize the cultural salvation it has been for a lot of rather depressed people in our society and I relish that fact. Rap music in fact now enjoys world influence, and again I have no particular fancy for it, but no need for animosity. Life is too short.

IlliniPilot99

agree whe is a fad...

and I agree with your second comment, but those are true artists who deserve the recognition upon death.

...on a side note...she has been sober for a week!