Was it something I said?
07-04-2011, 09:12 PM
#1
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Was it something I said?
Had the opportunity to non-rev to to PA to see my Dad a few days ago. Flew on American to ATL to hit my connecting flight. American pilots were EXTREMELY friendly when I introduced myself. When they saw my crew badge they immediately offered me the jumpseat. However, when I met the ASA pilots and I told them I was with ExpressJet they wouldn't give me the time of day and came across as really unfriendly. This happened both there AND back, so it establishes a trend.
I'm not trying to start any poo-flinging here but is there some beef going on I don't know about?
I'm not trying to start any poo-flinging here but is there some beef going on I don't know about?
07-04-2011, 10:37 PM
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Hi, Andy -
Who knows? Might be some sort of deep competition between your two companies. You could check with your union jumpseat representative, sometimes they get the dirt before everyone else. Just remember to keep paying that good jumpseat karma forward. I commuted to work for 18 years. Glad that's over, but I would still shut down an engine and reconnect the jetbridge to get a fellow pilot aboard. A lot of people went to a lot of trouble to get our industry jump seat privileges. D.
Who knows? Might be some sort of deep competition between your two companies. You could check with your union jumpseat representative, sometimes they get the dirt before everyone else. Just remember to keep paying that good jumpseat karma forward. I commuted to work for 18 years. Glad that's over, but I would still shut down an engine and reconnect the jetbridge to get a fellow pilot aboard. A lot of people went to a lot of trouble to get our industry jump seat privileges. D.
07-04-2011, 10:44 PM
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Da Hudge
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Sometimes you get that guy...
I walked up front on an ASA CR7 one time to ask for a ride... did dance we are all to familiar with, which was followed with "are you going to be up front?" "It could go either way right now..."
That was followed with a "I hope not" from the CA. ... yikes.
Every carrier has their few. I was jumpseating on DL not long before I got hired there, and the CA asked to see my license and medical. My medical was one of the new gen that we all use now which are smaller and off a laser printer. He said he didn't recognize the format and wanted to call the AME to make sure it was real. ....really?
I held my breath, put my hat down a little lower (was in uniform...), and made sure I stood tall over his diminuitive size while he made the phone call. Thankfully they had just opened and answered that morning.
.... yeah, that guy. Sometimes people lose siight of what is important.
I walked up front on an ASA CR7 one time to ask for a ride... did dance we are all to familiar with, which was followed with "are you going to be up front?" "It could go either way right now..."
That was followed with a "I hope not" from the CA. ... yikes.
Every carrier has their few. I was jumpseating on DL not long before I got hired there, and the CA asked to see my license and medical. My medical was one of the new gen that we all use now which are smaller and off a laser printer. He said he didn't recognize the format and wanted to call the AME to make sure it was real. ....really?
I held my breath, put my hat down a little lower (was in uniform...), and made sure I stood tall over his diminuitive size while he made the phone call. Thankfully they had just opened and answered that morning.
.... yeah, that guy. Sometimes people lose siight of what is important.
07-05-2011, 03:57 AM
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I flew with a guy at ASA a while back who would 'test' his O2 mask until the jump seat was unavailable. That said, he's the 1% compared to the 99% who are great about it. If you're at Express, you might be able to relate to the possibility that they're just overworked and over-stressed by our combined management!
I also had a six leg, min rest day last month where the jump seat was occupied the entire time - we were still friendly, but in the -200 it meant we were adding ballast all day long and just barely making D0 to accommodate our fellow pilot! Again, just trying to say it might be the job and not you and I've heard of no beef our group has with the ExpressJet group!
I also had a six leg, min rest day last month where the jump seat was occupied the entire time - we were still friendly, but in the -200 it meant we were adding ballast all day long and just barely making D0 to accommodate our fellow pilot! Again, just trying to say it might be the job and not you and I've heard of no beef our group has with the ExpressJet group!
07-05-2011, 04:26 AM
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I fully understand Captain's Authority and all that, but:
Any pilot who willingly leaves a jumpseater behind when they could otherwise carry them is an unprofessional, selfish jackass* in my opinion.
Neither management or the flying public gives a damn about flight crews these days...all that's left is professional courtesy. Once that evaporates, what's left?
Its also clear that such asshattery isn't exclusive to ASA or regionals - pop over to the Cargo forum and see the thread about FedEx 777 captains refusing other FedEx pilots the jumpseat because "there's no room".
*exclusion for scabs, "listers", etc.
Any pilot who willingly leaves a jumpseater behind when they could otherwise carry them is an unprofessional, selfish jackass* in my opinion.
Neither management or the flying public gives a damn about flight crews these days...all that's left is professional courtesy. Once that evaporates, what's left?
Its also clear that such asshattery isn't exclusive to ASA or regionals - pop over to the Cargo forum and see the thread about FedEx 777 captains refusing other FedEx pilots the jumpseat because "there's no room".
*exclusion for scabs, "listers", etc.
07-05-2011, 12:42 PM
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Had the opportunity to non-rev to to PA to see my Dad a few days ago. Flew on American to ATL to hit my connecting flight. American pilots were EXTREMELY friendly when I introduced myself. When they saw my crew badge they immediately offered me the jumpseat. However, when I met the ASA pilots and I told them I was with ExpressJet they wouldn't give me the time of day and came across as really unfriendly. This happened both there AND back, so it establishes a trend.
I'm not trying to start any poo-flinging here but is there some beef going on I don't know about?
I'm not trying to start any poo-flinging here but is there some beef going on I don't know about?
Ya know most folks at all companies are pretty much the same...two events does not make a trend. If you got on the flights I'd call it all good and forget about it. Nobody says we all have to win the congeniality award
07-05-2011, 03:07 PM
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I fully understand Captain's Authority and all that, but:
Any pilot who willingly leaves a jumpseater behind when they could otherwise carry them is an unprofessional, selfish jackass* in my opinion.
Neither management or the flying public gives a damn about flight crews these days...all that's left is professional courtesy. Once that evaporates, what's left?
Its also clear that such asshattery isn't exclusive to ASA or regionals - pop over to the Cargo forum and see the thread about FedEx 777 captains refusing other FedEx pilots the jumpseat because "there's no room".
*exclusion for scabs, "listers", etc.
Any pilot who willingly leaves a jumpseater behind when they could otherwise carry them is an unprofessional, selfish jackass* in my opinion.
Neither management or the flying public gives a damn about flight crews these days...all that's left is professional courtesy. Once that evaporates, what's left?
Its also clear that such asshattery isn't exclusive to ASA or regionals - pop over to the Cargo forum and see the thread about FedEx 777 captains refusing other FedEx pilots the jumpseat because "there's no room".
*exclusion for scabs, "listers", etc.
07-05-2011, 04:16 PM
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Every carrier has their few. I was jumpseating on DL not long before I got hired there.......
I held my breath, put my hat down a little lower (was in uniform...), and made sure I stood tall over his diminuitive size while he made the phone call. Thankfully they had just opened and answered that morning.
I held my breath, put my hat down a little lower (was in uniform...), and made sure I stood tall over his diminuitive size while he made the phone call. Thankfully they had just opened and answered that morning.
07-05-2011, 06:51 PM
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Da Hudge
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