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06-17-2011, 05:56 AM

#11

lolwut

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Originally Posted by xkuzme1

Well it's been a long time, but the way I understood it was that if you didn't charge for your instruction then it doesn't count as commercial time. That why a lot of people charge for ground time and not flight time.

Odds are that I am wrong but it seems legit.

Theres an FAA legal interpretation floating around somewhere that flying experience counts as compensation.

06-17-2011, 05:56 AM

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lolwut

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Originally Posted by Senior Skipper

What does your company think of it? Are you allowed to fly on your days off or is it prohibited? Anybody ever gotten in trouble for doing it?

Most companies I've flown for have not thought highly of any banks greater than 30 degrees, let alone doing flying on the side.

06-17-2011, 06:29 AM

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Hacker15e

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Originally Posted by lolwut

Theres an FAA legal interpretation floating around somewhere that flying experience counts as compensation.

That legal interpretation was referencing 14 CFR 61.118, "Private Pilot Privileges and Limitations."

06-17-2011, 06:58 AM

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SVTCobra

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint

Yes but with permission and good luck getting that as short staffed as we are. You'd have more luck with Shannon Tweed right now.

They want the ability to use every second of your 1000 hrs.

We get to fly on our days off..It's called Junior Assignment.Actually our contract says Junior Available, so we just tell them we are unavailable.
Works sometimes.

06-17-2011, 09:43 AM

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ExperimentalAB

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I wouldn't have any of the company telling me what I can/can't do. Not their place. Truck drivers use two logbooks, why not you? Worry less, fly more.

06-17-2011, 09:50 AM

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lolwut

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB

I wouldn't have any of the company telling me what I can/can't do. Not their place. Truck drivers use two logbooks, why not you? Worry less, fly more.

Unfortunately, the company... who decides the future of your employment, and the FAA... who decides the future of your certificates... do not agree.

06-17-2011, 09:57 AM

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CFItillIdie

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Perhaps if wages in the airline industry were similar to the wages in the trucking industry we wouldnt have this thread...can of worms I know! The only people that are trying to fly on the side are just trying to make ends meet.

06-17-2011, 02:10 PM

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newarkblows

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I was able to pull it off for a long time (under 2 yrs) but then i just had enough. You really do need some time to unwind from a trip. You are mentally burnt at the end of a 4 day and it is even worse when you are an FO trying to mold the way you operate into the way a difficult captain operates. Most captains are cool and easy to work with but every once in awhile things happen or your personalities dont mesh and you are really mentally spent at the end of a trip.

I was completely honest with my company and as long as I didn't ask them for any favors to make my schedule work they were willing to let me try. Now that we are continually short staffed, rolled days, little chance of getting more days off... it would be hard to pull it off again. Time off is a precious commodity.