Man In Sagging Pants Arrested
06-17-2011, 01:28 PM
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There is no contitutional "right" not to be offended.
Folks need to learn to cope rather than expend so much time and effort SEEKING out things to ***** about.
We've gone from a nation of resiliance where nearly any transgresion would roll off our backs like water off a duck and we'd stay focused....to now if someone does something to offend ANYONE...we strap-on our capes and run to the rescu of their delicate sensibilities. Completely forgetting about whatever it was we were suppused to be doing.
Sounds like we lack real problems so we have to go looking for a "cause" to advocate so that we can feel useful.
Tell the complaining passenger: If it aint illegal, then its LEGAL! Sit down. Shut up. Strap in. Hold on.
Folks need to learn to cope rather than expend so much time and effort SEEKING out things to ***** about.
We've gone from a nation of resiliance where nearly any transgresion would roll off our backs like water off a duck and we'd stay focused....to now if someone does something to offend ANYONE...we strap-on our capes and run to the rescu of their delicate sensibilities. Completely forgetting about whatever it was we were suppused to be doing.
Sounds like we lack real problems so we have to go looking for a "cause" to advocate so that we can feel useful.
Tell the complaining passenger: If it aint illegal, then its LEGAL! Sit down. Shut up. Strap in. Hold on.
06-17-2011, 01:57 PM
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Dont suppose the other person was gunned down because of gang activity. If these young kids knew the real origins of this fashion style they wouldn't be so quick to wear their pants around their knees, exposing their boxers. This so called "fashion Statment" started in our prison systems and the boys that wore their drawers low with their boxers exposed did so to let the population know they were submissive and easily available for a little (well you get the idea). As a private enterprise an airline has every right to ask him to cover up his underwear, when it offends other paying customers. His refusal to leave the plane is why he was arrested, its called "Trespassing on Private property." Saying he has the right to wear them that way is the same mindset that allowed our air-travel system to become greyhound. Look at the way air-travelers dressed 30 years ago. You guys really want aviation to reclaim some of its former respect, then I say eliminating this kind of garbage is one small way to start. YMMV
06-17-2011, 02:52 PM
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Quotes from the article from the man's mother:
Try as I might, I fail to see how being distressed over a friend's death would cause a young man to wear his pants on his knees instead of his waist. My mom died suddenly and I kept my pants on. Same when my dad, my brother-in-law, my aunts, my uncles, and my beloved dog died. After my brother-in-law died, I was at the airport the very next morning on my way somewhere, but never did I think of disrobing.
I am disappointed that some people these days don't take personal responsibility for their actions. If I behaved like this, my mother would be turning in her urn. As my friend Busboy says in his signature line: It's all about me! Well, it's not all about you; this world is more than just you and your problems. What you do reflects upon you and your family. I hope you are brought up a little better, but sounds like Donna needs some parenting help herself. And if/when you make it to the NFL, pull your pants up, for God's sake.
Marman's mother, Donna Doyle, said he was still in an emotionally raw state after attending Henderson's funeral Tuesday, where he spoke of his intention to honor his friend's memory by making it to the NFL.
She added that her son was targeted at the airport "because of the way he looks - young black man with dreads and baggy pants. But he's a good kid trying to make it, and he's going through a lot. And then this happens."
She added that her son was targeted at the airport "because of the way he looks - young black man with dreads and baggy pants. But he's a good kid trying to make it, and he's going through a lot. And then this happens."
I am disappointed that some people these days don't take personal responsibility for their actions. If I behaved like this, my mother would be turning in her urn. As my friend Busboy says in his signature line: It's all about me! Well, it's not all about you; this world is more than just you and your problems. What you do reflects upon you and your family. I hope you are brought up a little better, but sounds like Donna needs some parenting help herself. And if/when you make it to the NFL, pull your pants up, for God's sake.
06-17-2011, 03:05 PM
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06-17-2011, 03:21 PM
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Dont suppose the other person was gunned down because of gang activity. If these young kids knew the real origins of this fashion style they wouldn't be so quick to wear their pants around their knees, exposing their boxers. This so called "fashion Statment" started in our prison systems and the boys that wore their drawers low with their boxers exposed did so to let the population know they were submissive and easily available for a little (well you get the idea). As a private enterprise an airline has every right to ask him to cover up his underwear, when it offends other paying customers. His refusal to leave the plane is why he was arrested, its called "Trespassing on Private property." Saying he has the right to wear them that way is the same mindset that allowed our air-travel system to become greyhound. Look at the way air-travelers dressed 30 years ago. You guys really want aviation to reclaim some of its former respect, then I say eliminating this kind of garbage is one small way to start. YMMV
Now, the idiot with the droopy drawers...he has to choose WHICH one of hundreds of amulance chasing lawers he wants to represent him on the "acceptable appearance" isssue. The airline will eventually settle by throwing him some "go away" money which will probably be equal to a years salary for 10 FO's....cuz somebody got their feelings hurt. (pout)
I completely agree with the guy getting arrested for creating a disturbance. He simply shoulda said. NO and left it at that. But folks tend to get lippy when they feel they are being wronged.
Or better yet, the do-gooder trying to save humanity from witnissing the outrage of haynes....should have picked his battles much more wisely.
Let em wear whatever they want. Its the easiest way to identify morons from a distance.
Yeah...folks used to dress up for air travel. Then air travel became more common. Then it opened up to all income brackets. Then some idiots tried to land a jet inside a high rise. Then the government got silly-reactive and implimented measures where you have to take off half your clothes. Kinda ends up simplifying wardrobe.
But you are right. We should definately crank the clock back 60 years to a time when travel was more civilized and people dressed up for the occasion. Keep the riff-raff out. But....that would mean less passengers....which means less planes....which means less pilots....
Principals....can be very expensive.
Common sense is so exceptionally UNcommon.
06-17-2011, 03:55 PM
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Quotes from the article from the man's mother:
Try as I might, I fail to see how being distressed over a friend's death would cause a young man to wear his pants on his knees instead of his waist. My mom died suddenly and I kept my pants on. Same when my dad, my brother-in-law, my aunts, my uncles, and my beloved dog died. After my brother-in-law died, I was at the airport the very next morning on my way somewhere, but never did I think of disrobing.
I am disappointed that some people these days don't take personal responsibility for their actions. If I behaved like this, my mother would be turning in her urn. As my friend Busboy says in his signature line: It's all about me! Well, it's not all about you; this world is more than just you and your problems. What you do reflects upon you and your family. I hope you are brought up a little better, but sounds like Donna needs some parenting help herself. And if/when you make it to the NFL, pull your pants up, for God's sake.
Try as I might, I fail to see how being distressed over a friend's death would cause a young man to wear his pants on his knees instead of his waist. My mom died suddenly and I kept my pants on. Same when my dad, my brother-in-law, my aunts, my uncles, and my beloved dog died. After my brother-in-law died, I was at the airport the very next morning on my way somewhere, but never did I think of disrobing.
I am disappointed that some people these days don't take personal responsibility for their actions. If I behaved like this, my mother would be turning in her urn. As my friend Busboy says in his signature line: It's all about me! Well, it's not all about you; this world is more than just you and your problems. What you do reflects upon you and your family. I hope you are brought up a little better, but sounds like Donna needs some parenting help herself. And if/when you make it to the NFL, pull your pants up, for God's sake.
Then....the lawyers will ask.... "But what initiated the confrontation that resulted in the outburst?" And that trail will lead back to someone saying "we dont serve them kind around here" meaning baggy darwers, naturally. And then....so wiley land sharks....they'll get real uppity and they'll ask: "Hmm... how many other customers have you addressed this issue with."
And the airline will say: "Uhhhh..."
And the lawyers will say: "Heres a photo of 20 of your gates. How many saggn britches do you see?"
And the airline will say: "Who would you like me to make the check out to, sir?"
If ya wanna play decency regulator, that cool. Just let folks know before you take their money. SWA doesnt want fatty's...so they make ya pay for two seats. Dont want stinkys...say so up front. Dont want squalling rug rats...tell em. dont want anyone other than people just like you.....just make it clear....UP FRONT.
06-17-2011, 05:41 PM
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As a private enterprise an airline has every right to ask him to cover up his underwear, when it offends other paying customers. His refusal to leave the plane is why he was arrested, its called "Trespassing on Private property." Saying he has the right to wear them that way is the same mindset that allowed our air-travel system to become greyhound. Look at the way air-travelers dressed 30 years ago. You guys really want aviation to reclaim some of its former respect, then I say eliminating this kind of garbage is one small way to start. YMMV
Very well put, I couldn't agree with you more.
Its sad to see the downward progression in the airlines today (mostly the passengers attitudes toward air travel).
06-18-2011, 06:00 AM
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Private enterprise ABSOLUTELY has the right to set whatever criteria they want for their customers...and employees. So long as those policies are made clear PRIOR to accepting the customers money AND enforced universally. Failure to do so opens the company to "Bait and switch" claims and suit under "Drescriminatory trade practices". I think it unlikely this is the first person to "sag" in california. Yet is made the news cuz somebody decided he wanted to make a point....set an example....and rule his little fifedom with an iron fist.
Now, the idiot with the droopy drawers...he has to choose WHICH one of hundreds of amulance chasing lawers he wants to represent him on the "acceptable appearance" isssue. The airline will eventually settle by throwing him some "go away" money which will probably be equal to a years salary for 10 FO's....cuz somebody got their feelings hurt. (pout)
I completely agree with the guy getting arrested for creating a disturbance. He simply shoulda said. NO and left it at that. But folks tend to get lippy when they feel they are being wronged.
Or better yet, the do-gooder trying to save humanity from witnissing the outrage of haynes....should have picked his battles much more wisely.
Let em wear whatever they want. Its the easiest way to identify morons from a distance.
Yeah...folks used to dress up for air travel. Then air travel became more common. Then it opened up to all income brackets. Then some idiots tried to land a jet inside a high rise. Then the government got silly-reactive and implimented measures where you have to take off half your clothes. Kinda ends up simplifying wardrobe.
But you are right. We should definately crank the clock back 60 years to a time when travel was more civilized and people dressed up for the occasion. Keep the riff-raff out. But....that would mean less passengers....which means less planes....which means less pilots....
Principals....can be very expensive.
Common sense is so exceptionally UNcommon.
Now, the idiot with the droopy drawers...he has to choose WHICH one of hundreds of amulance chasing lawers he wants to represent him on the "acceptable appearance" isssue. The airline will eventually settle by throwing him some "go away" money which will probably be equal to a years salary for 10 FO's....cuz somebody got their feelings hurt. (pout)
I completely agree with the guy getting arrested for creating a disturbance. He simply shoulda said. NO and left it at that. But folks tend to get lippy when they feel they are being wronged.
Or better yet, the do-gooder trying to save humanity from witnissing the outrage of haynes....should have picked his battles much more wisely.
Let em wear whatever they want. Its the easiest way to identify morons from a distance.
Yeah...folks used to dress up for air travel. Then air travel became more common. Then it opened up to all income brackets. Then some idiots tried to land a jet inside a high rise. Then the government got silly-reactive and implimented measures where you have to take off half your clothes. Kinda ends up simplifying wardrobe.
But you are right. We should definately crank the clock back 60 years to a time when travel was more civilized and people dressed up for the occasion. Keep the riff-raff out. But....that would mean less passengers....which means less planes....which means less pilots....
Principals....can be very expensive.
Common sense is so exceptionally UNcommon.
HIs emotional state certainly doesnt account for his manner of attire. But it will likely serve as adequate defense for his outburst...at least in the eyes of a california court.
Then....the lawyers will ask.... "But what initiated the confrontation that resulted in the outburst?" And that trail will lead back to someone saying "we dont serve them kind around here" meaning baggy darwers, naturally. And then....so wiley land sharks....they'll get real uppity and they'll ask: "Hmm... how many other customers have you addressed this issue with."
And the airline will say: "Uhhhh..."
And the lawyers will say: "Heres a photo of 20 of your gates. How many saggn britches do you see?"
And the airline will say: "Who would you like me to make the check out to, sir?"
If ya wanna play decency regulator, that cool. Just let folks know before you take their money. SWA doesnt want fatty's...so they make ya pay for two seats. Dont want stinkys...say so up front. Dont want squalling rug rats...tell em. dont want anyone other than people just like you.....just make it clear....UP FRONT.
Then....the lawyers will ask.... "But what initiated the confrontation that resulted in the outburst?" And that trail will lead back to someone saying "we dont serve them kind around here" meaning baggy darwers, naturally. And then....so wiley land sharks....they'll get real uppity and they'll ask: "Hmm... how many other customers have you addressed this issue with."
And the airline will say: "Uhhhh..."
And the lawyers will say: "Heres a photo of 20 of your gates. How many saggn britches do you see?"
And the airline will say: "Who would you like me to make the check out to, sir?"
If ya wanna play decency regulator, that cool. Just let folks know before you take their money. SWA doesnt want fatty's...so they make ya pay for two seats. Dont want stinkys...say so up front. Dont want squalling rug rats...tell em. dont want anyone other than people just like you.....just make it clear....UP FRONT.
Again- look at SWA's COS policy. They let you know up front, and there is a set and standard policy... Don't fit in the seat, and there are empty seats on the plane? You're fine. Flights full- buy two seats. No room for someone to claim to be singled out by a random gate agent, etc.
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