So what's a pilot worth today?
05-13-2011, 06:04 PM
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05-13-2011, 06:05 PM
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Absolutely, but as long as there are young that are willing to eat the old or laws that allow that to happen then the rotation will continue. In the railroad industry workers hit their stride and forced the creation of laws which allowed for pension mobility so whether your railroad survives or goes bankrupt all railroad pensions are paid from the same pool so you can no longer eat the old purely on the basis of older working pools.
05-13-2011, 06:07 PM
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For the record I turned down job offers that paid more than I was making as a Beech 1900 captain because I knew they were damaging to our profession. If you work for a regional flying a jet, or a non ALPA startup I think YOU are the problem, and that includes all Southwest pilots and Jetblue pilots
05-13-2011, 06:08 PM
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That is the best answer of the millenium . . . I am seriously ROTFLMAO and crying at the same time!!!!!
05-13-2011, 06:45 PM
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For the record I turned down job offers that paid more than I was making as a Beech 1900 captain because I knew they were damaging to our profession. If you work for a regional flying a jet, or a non ALPA startup I think YOU are the problem, and that includes all Southwest pilots and Jetblue pilots
05-13-2011, 06:54 PM
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For the record I turned down job offers that paid more than I was making as a Beech 1900 captain because I knew they were damaging to our profession. If you work for a regional flying a jet, or a non ALPA startup I think YOU are the problem, and that includes all Southwest pilots and Jetblue pilots
Amen, Amen and Amen. Thank you for recognizing the forces that marginalize/drag down the profession that those very job takers desire. Its almost ironic. But since I grew up in an Eastern Airline family, I have seen how the new kids on the block scratch and claw to bleed the big dog to death.
We may need to redefine what a Legacy Airline really is. Of course, once Comair was considered a major, we all should have looked in the mirror.
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05-13-2011, 07:22 PM
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Did you read my other posts? That's the problem. Without the "legacy" costs associated with older workforces it's trivial to throw out pay rates for the top tier that rival the best of the best since the vast majority of that company's workforce is no where near that level and the company has zero pension liability. For better or for worse our nation subscribed to the private pension model and we have as yet not given up on that subscription. If and when the government nationalizes our medicine and our pensions then the playing field between new carrier and old will be level, but until that day if you choose to work for a startup or a regional you are intentionally killing the pension of a legacy worker as well as reducing your own future earnings, but obviously most folks simply don't understand that fact or don't care since that is not the political reality of today.
05-13-2011, 08:08 PM
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You all have got to be kidding. You must be part of the millennial generation, or you missed this little thing called DEREGULATION and 9/11. Are you really trying to logically argue that pilots working for Southwest and JetBlue ruined legacy airline pensions and pay scales, really, that is your argument. Please read Hard Landings and then post a logical Statement. Stop blaming other pilots for your airline managements problems. This is a SERVICE industry that is run by supply and demand economics in a globalized, Internet marketing world, deregulation is what allowed the free market economic process to change this industry forever, not some pilot working for a start up. Remember for every Southwest and JetBlue there are a dozen or more failed Start-Ups that were unsuccessful, those Two SWA and JBLU happen to have great customer service products that are consistently leading the industry in Customer Service rankings, free market economics at its best.
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