Osama Bin Laden is dead
05-09-2011, 09:14 PM
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And a$$ is a good way to put our society. A big a$$ with lots of zits that need to be popped.
No one has ever said that with bin Laden dead that there will be peace on Earth. With this post and your previous one, you're arguing completely unrelated points. Forgetting about corruption and power?? What? Ok, if you say so.
We just killed a high ranking international terrorist and are letting it make the news for 4 days, but thanks for the friendly, yet completely unrelated reminder about other world problems. You'd probably enjoy a story about a bridge...
When I asked a friend of mine the other day if he had heard the news of UBLs death and how he felt about that, his response was essentially, "Ok? I'll act happy when the wars are over, and no more violence; this doesn't change the past, etc etc..." Talk about obnoxious! The thing is, the people who are acting celebratory don't actually think that history has been re-written and that our loved ones will be brought back and that the world is now at peace...It's as if people like you and my friend are being cynical just for the sake of being cynical, and are thinking that you're some how on this higher moral basis, instead of recognizing that this is just ***one step*** in the right direction, and that this particular step happens to be of greater significance than usual. Is it that hard to accept it for just that?
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05-09-2011, 09:58 PM
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Tell us what they contribute as citizens of the world, what have they built, what have they taught? The war will continue and we aren't driving it.
It isn't our fault that they are the problem. We would much prefer to mind our own business and tend to our own little problems.
05-10-2011, 12:22 AM
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And now this one in particular is gone. Nothing but good, there. What's the problem with that?
His death will most likely be preventing another future disaster, I don't doubt that. 9/11 was in plan many years prior. I think my post was misinterpreted. I wasn't necessarily referring to any specific members here, but in the media and rather in general.
What exactly are you trying to argue? Now it looks like you're on the flip side of your post earlier.
No one has ever said that with bin Laden dead that there will be peace on Earth. With this post and your previous one, you're arguing completely unrelated points. Forgetting about corruption and power?? What? Ok, if you say so.
No, no one has ever said that about his death, but many people impulsively act as if they thought it.
We just killed a high ranking international terrorist and are letting it make the news for 4 days, but thanks for the friendly, yet completely unrelated reminder about other world problems. You'd probably enjoy a story about a bridge...
Refer to first response
When I asked a friend of mine the other day if he had heard the news of UBLs death and how he felt about that, his response was essentially, "Ok? I'll act happy when the wars are over, and no more violence; this doesn't change the past, etc etc..." Talk about obnoxious! The thing is, the people who are acting celebratory don't actually think that history has been re-written and that our loved ones will be brought back and that the world is now at peace...It's as if people like you and my friend are being cynical just for the sake of being cynical, and are thinking that you're some how on this higher moral basis, instead of recognizing that this is just ***one step*** in the right direction, and that this particular step happens to be of greater significance than usual. Is it that hard to accept it for just that?
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His death will most likely be preventing another future disaster, I don't doubt that. 9/11 was in plan many years prior. I think my post was misinterpreted. I wasn't necessarily referring to any specific members here, but in the media and rather in general.
What exactly are you trying to argue? Now it looks like you're on the flip side of your post earlier.
No one has ever said that with bin Laden dead that there will be peace on Earth. With this post and your previous one, you're arguing completely unrelated points. Forgetting about corruption and power?? What? Ok, if you say so.
No, no one has ever said that about his death, but many people impulsively act as if they thought it.
We just killed a high ranking international terrorist and are letting it make the news for 4 days, but thanks for the friendly, yet completely unrelated reminder about other world problems. You'd probably enjoy a story about a bridge...
Refer to first response
When I asked a friend of mine the other day if he had heard the news of UBLs death and how he felt about that, his response was essentially, "Ok? I'll act happy when the wars are over, and no more violence; this doesn't change the past, etc etc..." Talk about obnoxious! The thing is, the people who are acting celebratory don't actually think that history has been re-written and that our loved ones will be brought back and that the world is now at peace...It's as if people like you and my friend are being cynical just for the sake of being cynical, and are thinking that you're some how on this higher moral basis, instead of recognizing that this is just ***one step*** in the right direction, and that this particular step happens to be of greater significance than usual. Is it that hard to accept it for just that?
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05-10-2011, 12:34 AM
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Maybe their society is the problem. Look around, see how they treat people, visit the area and get back to us when you have something to say.
Tell us what they contribute as citizens of the world, what have they built, what have they taught? The war will continue and we aren't driving it.
It isn't our fault that they are the problem. We would much prefer to mind our own business and tend to our own little problems.
Tell us what they contribute as citizens of the world, what have they built, what have they taught? The war will continue and we aren't driving it.
It isn't our fault that they are the problem. We would much prefer to mind our own business and tend to our own little problems.
I do think though that weapons and things of that sort would be necessary in some situations. Out of necessity, not the want to kill.
If that makes sense at all. Please excuse my spontaneous thought processes while posting.
05-10-2011, 06:11 AM
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Well yeah, poverty and corruption does exist globally, obviously. Countries are not "real" in a sense that they are completely psychological (e.g. Sociology). The egoistic patriotism in America, the complete madness of Al-Queda, etc, are all equally negative forces that self fulfill each other in their anger.
I do think though that weapons and things of that sort would be necessary in some situations. Out of necessity, not the want to kill.
If that makes sense at all. Please excuse my spontaneous thought processes while posting.
I do think though that weapons and things of that sort would be necessary in some situations. Out of necessity, not the want to kill.
If that makes sense at all. Please excuse my spontaneous thought processes while posting.
You mistake self defense for "egoistic patriotism".
Wars have been a fact of life as old as man, and they will always be part of our existence.
This year many countries in the ME have collapsed due to their own inept rule, this is also war, but it is the kind of war that brings freedom instead of oppression.
War is mostly about the rights of individuals although they are fought by states or groups. The more freedoms an individual enjoys, the less probable the need for war.
05-10-2011, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCal Flyer
His death will most likely be preventing another future disaster, I don't doubt that. 9/11 was in plan many years prior. I think my post was misinterpreted. I wasn't necessarily referring to any specific members here, but in the media and rather in general.
No, no one has ever said that about his death, but many people impulsively act as if they thought it.
It's a shame the board won't let you post more than three smilies...it isn't as easy for you to be as patronizing as you'd like to be with that many.
05-10-2011, 11:59 AM
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Was it announced what intel was found on the storage media? I haven't heard anything, myself. But no one, and least of all al Qaeda should be surprised that we took whatever we could get our hands on.
05-11-2011, 10:51 PM
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nope. Didn't misinterpret you at all. Not sure what your point is with this, anyways.
This sentence nicely sums up the problem i have with people that share your attitude. The basis of your whole argument is formed on an assumption! It is harder to have a weaker argument than that. And on top of that, it is an assumption that you know what most people are thinking. It's insulting. It's insulting that you think people need to be told that the events of the past won't magically be erased (again, cynicism for the sake of being cynical, etc). That is all pretty weak.
yeah, you nitpicked a detail and completely missed the whole picture. But it's not assumption. It's observation. You know, people waving american flags over someones death, and like our flag actually means anything. The symbol has become completely cliche. The majority of the people in this country are just too blind to realize that our military and us play a big role in the current problems, and that two evils (us government/dc and al-queda) do not somehow result in a positive way.
but i'm a lazy writer. If you want to see the picture, listen to george carlin's commentary on this country. He nails it straight on the head.
it's a shame the board won't let you post more than three smilies...it isn't as easy for you to be as patronizing as you'd like to be with that many.
cool story bro.
This sentence nicely sums up the problem i have with people that share your attitude. The basis of your whole argument is formed on an assumption! It is harder to have a weaker argument than that. And on top of that, it is an assumption that you know what most people are thinking. It's insulting. It's insulting that you think people need to be told that the events of the past won't magically be erased (again, cynicism for the sake of being cynical, etc). That is all pretty weak.
yeah, you nitpicked a detail and completely missed the whole picture. But it's not assumption. It's observation. You know, people waving american flags over someones death, and like our flag actually means anything. The symbol has become completely cliche. The majority of the people in this country are just too blind to realize that our military and us play a big role in the current problems, and that two evils (us government/dc and al-queda) do not somehow result in a positive way.
but i'm a lazy writer. If you want to see the picture, listen to george carlin's commentary on this country. He nails it straight on the head.
it's a shame the board won't let you post more than three smilies...it isn't as easy for you to be as patronizing as you'd like to be with that many.
cool story bro.
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