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Old 04-15-2011, 08:37 AM
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I can see a near future where much of our children's education is conducted online.

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With the rising cost of education, coupled with the decline in our school systems, I could see it heading that way as well. Home schooling can be great...if done correctly. If not, you end up with kids that are socially inept. Unfortunately, an huge majority of the parents our there, don't have the time to do it correctly.
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With the rising cost of education, coupled with the decline in our school systems, I could see it heading that way as well. Home schooling can be great...if done correctly. If not, you end up with kids that are socially inept. Unfortunately, an huge majority of the parents our there, don't have the time to do it correctly.
Parental involvement is key. Our nations children are becoming socially inept at public school as well.

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I've got one kid in a really expensive 4 year vo-tech program, and the other two, I've told them that I'll buy them a NEW car if they can get in the Naval Academy.

That'll be the cheapest new car I ever bought.
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I've got one kid in a really expensive 4 year vo-tech program, and the other two, I've told them that I'll buy them a NEW car if they can get in the Naval Academy.

That'll be the cheapest new car I ever bought.
My parents made me the same offer. If I went to any military academy, they would buy me ANY car I wanted. Should've taken them up on that one...

There needs to be a fundamental shift in WHY we are educating our kids. For the last few decades we've completely abandoned one of the founding principles of this country, that of going out and making it for yourself. Instead we've brain washed everyone into believing that the way the system works is that you're getting an education in order to get a job, and worse that everyone is entitled to a job. There is no enterpenuership anymore (I probably didn't spell that right). What we need to be teaching is how to go out and start your own business, run your own life. Instead we all believe that we're getting an education to go out and compete in the job market against everyone else.

When my wife couldn't find a job to save her life after having to leave her current job at the time (we moved), she finally gave up and decided to start her own business, and it's working. Imagine that.
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Dear USMCFLYR,

Because you asked:

Yes, our kids take the same annual academic tests that their peers do at public school and they are doing better than average. And our kids only need a few hours a day to gain the same educational benefit. Therefore I can say that they are being evaluated against every other kid in the state at least.
Two things with this response:
Number one - you didn't just say "better than average" in your first post and secondly - you didn't say in the state.
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My kids are home-schooled .... and accomplish more than their traditional sit down school peers.
Using your reasoning, and lack of particulars, I could say that my sister's children were educated in PUBLIC schools and scored in the top 5%. Does this mean that my nephew and niece are doing better than your kids?
Of course not.

Additionally:

I agree that a military commitment is one heck of a training contract however at least the military provides fair compensation and much better benefits than the regionals do. I do not think it is indentured servitude at all but more of a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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I'll agree with you here, but notice that I mentioned AFTER the military too. Even my current job has what amounts to a training contract.
So your beef once again here is more with the Regionals, and their compensation and benefits, than any form of training contract?

As for your other post - you know darn well Mr. Skyhigh that it isn't the content of your posts that I disagree with, but rather your presentation and use of the OVERLY dramatic and often demeaning comments you make about pilots in general.
You are right - I am one of you in many of your views, just not an extremist. What you failed to mention from the long time airline piot is whether he has ANYTHING good to say about aviation or if every day of his 20 years as a professional pilot has been the worse days of his life. YOU have said over and over that you can not find ONE SINGLE THING POSITIVE to say about aviation............but you are thinking about being an active flight instructor?

I'll also agree with you that parental involvement is paramount - whether it be home schooling or in the public/private educational environment.

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I wish we would get rid of the requirements for college degrees. For people like me it feels like a giant waste of time. If I could, I would go to a vocational school to work on diesel engines.
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Two things with this response:
Number one - you didn't just say "better than average" in your first post and secondly - you didn't say in the state.
You said:

Using your reasoning, and lack of particulars, I could say that my sister's children were educated in PUBLIC schools and scored in the top 5%. Does this mean that my nephew and niece are doing better than your kids?
Of course not.


I'll agree with you here, but notice that I mentioned AFTER the military too. Even my current job has what amounts to a training contract.
So your beef once again here is more with the Regionals, and their compensation and benefits, than any form of training contract?

As for your other post - you know darn well Mr. Skyhigh that it isn't the content of your posts that I disagree with, but rather your presentation and use of the OVERLY dramatic and often demeaning comments you make about pilots in general.
You are right - I am one of you in many of your views, just not an extremist. What you failed to mention from the long time airline piot is whether he has ANYTHING good to say about aviation or if every day of his 20 years as a professional pilot has been the worse days of his life. YOU have said over and over that you can not find ONE SINGLE THING POSITIVE to say about aviation............but you are thinking about being an active flight instructor?

I'll also agree with you that parental involvement is paramount - whether it be home schooling or in the public/private educational environment.

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USMCFLR,

What I meant was that my kids accomplish more in less time than kids at public school. In the past my sons would get on the school bus at 7:30AM and get home a 4:45PM only to head inside to start their homework. Now they get all their school done for the day in just a few hours. No hours long bus ride, dealing with lockers or the rest of what goes on at school in between learning activities.

In addition they take an annual state test and are doing better than average when they are compared against their state wide peers. I never considered kids in other states to be included into that however it you wanted to get particular I suppose that our state test could be measured against a national standard.

In regards to statement two: Yes, I have a much bigger beef with the regionals than just the training contract. It just adds insult to injury.

Cordially;

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USMCFLR,

What I meant was that my kids accomplish more in less time than kids at public school. In the past my sons would get on the school bus at 7:30AM and get home a 4:45PM only to head inside to start their homework. Now they get all their school done for the day in just a few hours. No hours long bus ride, dealing with lockers or the rest of what goes on at school in between learning activities.
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what do your kids do in all of their extra time? Are they getting the exposure to the world, learning to interact with peers, adults, jerks, authority figures? Sports? What happens when they get to work in the real world, dealing with all of the social complexities involved?

Just curious,

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In our our situation I built a computer lab in our home where the kids accomplish their daily academics. It is a program that is run and paid for by the state. They work educational programs online and have a teacher/ advisor who they call once a week. Science projects are mailed to them on a periodic basis. Field trips are reimbursed. Computers and other tools are provided. If a kid takes up an interest it can be provided for and counted into their education.

At first when my wife brought up the idea I went into it kicking and screaming. Now I wish that I was homeschooled.

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In our our situation I built a computer lab in our home where the kids accomplish their daily academics. It is a program that is run and paid for by the state. They work educational programs online and have a teacher/ advisor who they call once a week. Science projects are mailed to them on a periodic basis. Field trips are reimbursed. Computers and other tools are provided. If a kid takes up an interest it can be provided for and counted into their education.

At first when my wife brought up the idea I went into it kicking and screaming. Now I wish that I was homeschooled.

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Again, what about social skills - dealing with bullies, bosses, jerks, peers, friends. I can see where homeschooling may produce better academic results, but that's just half the equation. There is a level of gamesmanship that must be learned to make it in the world.

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