CNN Air Safety Rules Update
04-12-2011, 03:06 AM
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They were "Hired" with less than 1500hrs. That's the point. It has something to do with pre-airline experience. How many times did you do something when you were tooling around in your 172 and went, "whoa, that was pretty scary"? The best part of that is the much more forgiving environment such as the training aircraft. What the guys from colgan did, any pilot could have done, and probably did do at one point in their flight training. Not in a transport category aircraft. Screw up, scare yourself, and learn from it. But do it all BEFORE you get to the airliners with a bunch of meat in the back. Seems pretty rational to me.
04-12-2011, 03:57 AM
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It all goes back to money, and the continued cheapening of this profession.
Passengers, politicians, and journalists expect the highest level of safety, professionalism, and service while getting the cheapest possible fare.
The problem with this industry is that it has over-catered to the customers for the past 10-15 years.
Somewhere along the line, airlines decided to stop operating responsibly so that anyone could get on a plane at anytime to fly anywhere across the country for less the $50.
Yes, I consider these prices irresponsible, if surgeons began to charge $50 for open-heart surgery out of there garage, most would consider that occupationally irresponsible.
Passengers, politicians, and journalists expect the highest level of safety, professionalism, and service while getting the cheapest possible fare.
The problem with this industry is that it has over-catered to the customers for the past 10-15 years.
Somewhere along the line, airlines decided to stop operating responsibly so that anyone could get on a plane at anytime to fly anywhere across the country for less the $50.
Yes, I consider these prices irresponsible, if surgeons began to charge $50 for open-heart surgery out of there garage, most would consider that occupationally irresponsible.
04-12-2011, 04:34 AM
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It all goes back to money, and the continued cheapening of this profession.
Passengers, politicians, and journalists expect the highest level of safety, professionalism, and service while getting the cheapest possible fare.
The problem with this industry is that it has over-catered to the customers for the past 10-15 years.
Passengers, politicians, and journalists expect the highest level of safety, professionalism, and service while getting the cheapest possible fare.
The problem with this industry is that it has over-catered to the customers for the past 10-15 years.
Legislation that was trying to enhance service and amenities with each airline overdoing the other created a pricing war where everything that could be slashed was until a $25 one way was the norm. Now instead of bringing back those amenities overnight the nickel and dime attack continues with bags, meals, and even the overly anxious paying the premium to be first on the plane.
250 wonders will submit to these current pay scales, but come August 2013, I really hope 1500+ pilots thinking airlines will wise up and change their mindset as to what professional pilots need to be paid.
04-12-2011, 05:01 AM
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maybe this would be helped if the company was required to positive space you in at some point and put you up.... I know that will never happen...just a thought.
Meanwhile, Pinnacle Airlines hire's pilots with 250 hours total time with no discretion to hiring more qualified pilots with a little things called ----> "Experience"
Other regionals have hired guys under 200 hours, and without a commercial, back in early 2008.
...and there is no 1500 hour requirement. It is a requirement to have an ATP, with other specific requirements to obtain the ATP. The FAA will make the rules to set the final requirements for the ATP. And, if Congress doesn't like it (as they didn't like the FAA's decisions on Age 65), Congress can change the final rule to whatever they want.
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04-12-2011, 05:28 AM
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No it doesn't, this was just a freak accident. Are you suggesting that the captain and fo didn't know how to get out of a stall? They were severely tired. The FO had over 1500 and was a CFI. And she actually put the flaps up which doomed any final chance of a recovery. And post airline experience matters a whole lot too.
04-12-2011, 12:04 PM
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04-12-2011, 12:24 PM
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Meanwhile, Pinnacle Airlines hire's pilots with 250 hours total time with no discretion to hiring more qualified pilots with a little things called ----> "Experience"
When will Pinnacle learn? Why not just hire some pilots with ATLEAST a thousand hours. How hard is that in todays market?
When will Pinnacle learn? Why not just hire some pilots with ATLEAST a thousand hours. How hard is that in todays market?
04-12-2011, 12:39 PM
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When will Pinnacle learn? Why not just hire some pilots with ATLEAST a thousand hours. How hard is that in todays market?
And, the pilot shortage situation is only just beginning. Between Asian/African expansion, and the Flight/Duty/Rest and ATP rule changes, the regionals will be hard pressed to fly their current schedules.
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04-12-2011, 03:20 PM
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Deregulation. There, I said it.
Legislation that was trying to enhance service and amenities with each airline overdoing the other created a pricing war where everything that could be slashed was until a $25 one way was the norm. Now instead of bringing back those amenities overnight the nickel and dime attack continues with bags, meals, and even the overly anxious paying the premium to be first on the plane.
250 wonders will submit to these current pay scales, but come August 2013, I really hope 1500+ pilots thinking airlines will wise up and change their mindset as to what professional pilots need to be paid.
Legislation that was trying to enhance service and amenities with each airline overdoing the other created a pricing war where everything that could be slashed was until a $25 one way was the norm. Now instead of bringing back those amenities overnight the nickel and dime attack continues with bags, meals, and even the overly anxious paying the premium to be first on the plane.
250 wonders will submit to these current pay scales, but come August 2013, I really hope 1500+ pilots thinking airlines will wise up and change their mindset as to what professional pilots need to be paid.
On one hand, yes, it would be nice to see significant stability through limited capacity and government-controlled prices.
On the other hand, our industry would become slaves to constant lobbying support from a corrupted political system. Furthermore, pilot jobs would also significantly decrease as competition becomes scarce.
I think we, as pilots, are our own worse enemy at times.
Personally I can't wait for the looming pilot shortage, it would be nice to see what this country's response will be to an inability to find pilots.
As the President of the RAA says "$50 a night is not alot of money to pay for a hotel in EWR", hopefully prices are that reasonable when you need to cancel flights and put passengers up for the night.
04-12-2011, 05:10 PM
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No it doesn't, this was just a freak accident. Are you suggesting that the captain and fo didn't know how to get out of a stall? They were severely tired. The FO had over 1500 and was a CFI. And she actually put the flaps up which doomed any final chance of a recovery. And post airline experience matters a whole lot too.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
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