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Old 02-18-2011, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Almost nothing changed pre or post Bush with regard to foreign policy, we continue on a course much like your Greece, spending ourselves into oblivion.

Please note that our Presidents cannot declare or continue war without the majority of our politicos supporting it. You would have to conclude they are all morons and you would be correct, you can't just blame half of them.
How much did the Iraq war cost ?

Based on the facts that were presented by the administration after 9/11 I don't think a lot of people were saying no to the war, I was against it as I thought Saudi Arabia had more to do with 9/11 than Iraq. The point is that the information was falsified and was used in order to push a certain agenda, this is what ****es me off.
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Originally Posted by olympic
How much did the Iraq war cost ?

Based on the facts that were presented by the administration after 9/11 I don't think a lot of people were saying no to the war, I was against it as I thought Saudi Arabia had more to do with 9/11 than Iraq. The point is that the information was falsified and was used in order to push a certain agenda, this is what ****es me off.
Let us know when you come across a country with perfect intelligence which never makes an error in policy.
That agenda is still being pushed, both in your country and ours.

No reason to be angry over attempts to preserve world economic vital interests. Don't mistake politics for the practical.
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HAHA uneducated answer, education and BUSH don't mesh well together. Go read the downing street memo and see some key notes on the agenda, it's scary. It's funny how Blair was head of the Labor party in the UK too. Although Sadam had to be ousted, thinking that we went into Iraq to remove Sadam and that's it is very ignorant, sad we actually put that moron into power. The US foreign policy was out of control during the 8 years of Bush, hopefully things will change.
I guess Yale and Harvard are easy to get into and even easier to graduate from using the same rhetoric of how uneducated and stupid Bush was. Again, read some books and do some research and you will find that almost every countries intelligence agencies believed there were WMDs, but when none were found it was easy for them to change their minds and stories so they would come out looking like the good guy.
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Iraqi oil was State run, it became privatized right after we went in and the money went to everyone but the Iraqi's.
When Sadam was in Power the revenues from the "State Run Oil" went right into his personal Bank account, no doubt in Switzerland or Dubai.

Now that the OIL is privatized, you are claiming that NO OIL REVENUE goes to
the Iraqi Government? I find that a little hard to believe.
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Originally Posted by olympic
How much did the Iraq war cost ?
Much MUCH less than the deficit the current has racked up in the last 2 years.
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Tin Foil Hat Master Warning Light and Level 3 Alert message. ^

This bad old conspiracy has been going on for an awfully long time and seems to gain power through all parties, since they all support these actions.

Since those "responsible" for WTC 7 and the long list of crimes against humanity you seem to believe exists and nobody has been brought to justice, the only possible logical conclusion is that the current regime is continuing the conspiracy. Neat.
Constitution Alert!! Read it, understand it, quote it at will and then get back to me. I guess you might be one of those people who only references the U.S. Constitution when its convenient and then discards it when it isn't. Makes you wonder why the politicians even swear an oath to it.

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Old 02-18-2011, 02:26 PM
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Constitution Alert!! Read it, understand it, quote it at will and then get back to me. I guess you might be one of those people who only references the U.S. Constitution when its convenient and then discards it when it isn't. Makes you wonder why the politicians even swear an oath to it.
That document was raped, murdered and thrown in a shallow grave a long time ago. We are now just fighting for our lives and property.

Pretending this is some unified conspiracy doesn't help your case. All of us are equally responsible.
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Hey if we can give 10 billion to the UAW I say baghdad deserves a billion.
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While we're at it, we can pay war reparations to France, Germany, Belgium,
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but as far as this quote, we already have...

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Originally Posted by Red Forman
I guess Yale and Harvard are easy to get into and even easier to graduate from using the same rhetoric of how uneducated and stupid Bush was. Again, read some books and do some research and you will find that almost every countries intelligence agencies believed there were WMDs, but when none were found it was easy for them to change their minds and stories so they would come out looking like the good guy.
You're right, It is a great achievement to go to Yale and Harvard, and lucky to those people who have rich families who can pay the tuition. It's just hard to believe he finished these schools, I mean he has left us with a lot of memorable quotes that even the most conservative will laugh at.

Everyone believed it(WMDs) because the information was falsified, this has been proven. Don't get me wrong, Sadam needed to be ousted, and I believe it could of been done without going to war and sending young Americans over there.

Who put him in power btw?? We supported him, we gave him billions of dollars, weapons and helped him build all these chemical plants which were used against the Kurds and Iranians.

In 2005 evidence came out, from meetings of high officials of Blair's cabinet that stated:
Bush's long standing intent to invade Iraq.
Bush’s willingness to provoke Sadam (in a variety of ways) into providing a pretext for war.
The fact that the war began with an air campaign nearly a year before the March 2003 invasion and months before Congressional approval for the use of force.
The administration’s widespread effort to manipulate information that would counter its justification for war
The lack of planning for the war’s aftermath and a fundamental lack of understanding of the Iraqi society.

I'm afraid that this will turn into what Vietnam turned out to be .. a fake conflict to start a war for personal greed and agendas.

"It was revealed the US, which showed a false intelligence report to launch a war against Iraq, had initiated the Vietnam War (1965-75) on false intelligence as well.


The intelligence that “North Vietnam attacked the US war vessels with torpedoes on 4 August 1964”, which led to clashes, was discovered to be untrue. This information was revealed after the confidentiality over some of the US National Security Agency, which follows communication throughout the world, files was removed"


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
When Sadam was in Power the revenues from the "State Run Oil" went right into his personal Bank account, no doubt in Switzerland or Dubai.

Now that the OIL is privatized, you are claiming that NO OIL REVENUE goes to
the Iraqi Government? I find that a little hard to believe.
I believe Grumble said why aren't prices going down here in the states if we went over to Iraq for oil. Well the simple reason is that it isn't owned by us! It's owned by the Exxon/Mobils of the world, simple as that.

Iraq wasn't in debt before the War, once we went in they went into debt and that's where the World bank and IMF play a role. Same thing is happening in Greece right now. In Iraq's case in order for them to get support from the IMF they needed to privatize their oil. Basically all these multinational companies taking over.

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Much MUCH less than the deficit the current has racked up in the last 2 years.


Originally Posted by jungle
That document was raped, murdered and thrown in a shallow grave a long time ago. We are now just fighting for our lives and property.

Pretending this is some unified conspiracy doesn't help your case. All of us are equally responsible.
Yeah seriously, after the patriot act I think we all feel violated.

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