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Old 06-12-2010, 07:16 AM
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I know that aircraft were enroute at the end with UNCLEAR answers on what to do if they even reached the suspected airplane. Sounds like something out of a bad movie - and it just doesn't really work like that.

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I can't remember all the details, but wasn't there a New York ANG plane chasing one of the WTC planes down the Hudson, as well as an Ohio ANG (I think?) on an intercept of UAL 93?
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I can't remember all the details, but wasn't there a New York ANG plane chasing one of the WTC planes down the Hudson, as well as an Ohio ANG (I think?) on an intercept of UAL 93?
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon - washingtonpost.com

For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances...In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.
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Old 06-12-2010, 08:53 AM
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English author and public speaker David Icke argues that reptilian, shape-shifting extraterrestrial humanoids are responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to Icke, a reptilian global elite is behind all things that occur in the world. Icke's 2002 book Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster is focused on the 9/11 attacks.


I think we can call this case closed, there is no doubt.



For an interesting overview of the mind numbing variations of the various "theories" this may give our gentle readers a chuckle or two:

9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
I can't remember all the details, but wasn't there a New York ANG plane chasing one of the WTC planes down the Hudson, as well as an Ohio ANG (I think?) on an intercept of UAL 93?
I don't remember the details either (like time) all that clearly - but I want to say that the closest fighter to any hijacked aircraft was still quite a few minutes away and no one was in any position to actually intercept. I'm sure some internet sleuth could find us the answer - hopefully using accepted and accurate sources

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I NEVER said, meant, nor implied that ANY U.S. plane had any of the hijacked aircraft "in their sights". Only that there FINALLY did come a time that day when it was realized what the hell was going on. And that aircraft were sent that direction. Even though it was know that it was too late to have any impact.
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In September 2001, NORAD generals said they learned of the hijackings in time to scramble fighter jets. Later, the U.S. government released tapes claiming to show the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) did not tell the military about the hijackings until three of the four planes had crashed, a fact that would indicate that the FAA repeatedly lied to other U.S. government agencies.[65]

Phil Molé of Skeptic magazine has explained that it is neither quick nor easy to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically, and that the hijackers turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplanes, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORAD’S radar screens, making them very difficult to track.[60][63]

According to Popular Mechanics, only 14 fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states on 9/11. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD.[63] A passenger airline hadn't been hijacked in the US since 1979.[66] "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. According to Popular Mechanics, only one civilian plane was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11, which took 1 hour and 22 minutes.[63]

Rules in effect at that time, and on 9/11, barred supersonic flight on intercepts. Before 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," says FAA spokesman Bill Schumann. After 9/11, the FAA and NORAD increased cooperation. They set up hotlines between command centers while NORAD increased its fighter coverage and installed radar to watch airspace over the continent.[63]

Yet, according to NORAD, after air traffic controllers realized that Flight 11 had been hijacked, 38 vital minutes passed before a pair of F-15's was scrambled from Otis. As they lifted off, American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, 153 air miles away as a Falcon flies. [NORAD, Sept. 18, 2001]
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The three previous decades of treating hijacking as a "do whatever they say and don't resist" situation set the stage and left a vast chink in our armor, one that was perfectly exploited. It was the first suicide/homocide atttack of its type using a passenger airliner.

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I am Elvis.....

I keep a bigfoot as a pet and JFK is still alive and kept at the New World Order base which is amassing troops under the baggage facility at DIA.

Thank ya, thank ya very mush.....
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What is even more disturbing about these conspiracy theorists is that assuming (key word there) that our fighters were able to catch up to and positively identify the hijacked planes, would those airliners have been shot down? The answer is simply, we do not know. But more likely, no because our posture back then was to do what the hijackers wanted and deal with the situation once the plane lands. Only until an aircraft was pointed into the restricted areas of Washington DC could I imagine them being shot down, assuming our fighters were there.
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NORAD and the FAA were clearly unprepared for this type of attack, which is why it was successful.
NORAD was geared to attacks from outside the US and the FAA had made it a decades long policy to not offer resistance to hijackers.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Eventually as he fire raged, the steel softened and could no longer hold the part of the building above the impact area. Once that started downward, everything below it would collapse for certain, under the momentum of millions of pounds of falling material.
Collapse into the path of most resistance at practically freefall speed?
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