B747-400 SFO near CFIT, UAL Pilot Claims PTSD
06-05-2010, 03:59 AM
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Maybe you guys could give this guy a break, the captain's call to go-around was a good decision and the crew was able to land safely.
Maybe the guy has PTSD and maybe he doesn't, I think I trained psychologist would be able to tell, quite easily, if someone is faking PTSD.
Either way it just seems silly to try and pass judgment on this crew, their decision, and how they are dealing with the experience.
Personally, I would think just working at UAL over the past few years under Tilton would be enough to give their pilots PTSD.
Maybe the guy has PTSD and maybe he doesn't, I think I trained psychologist would be able to tell, quite easily, if someone is faking PTSD.
Either way it just seems silly to try and pass judgment on this crew, their decision, and how they are dealing with the experience.
Personally, I would think just working at UAL over the past few years under Tilton would be enough to give their pilots PTSD.
06-05-2010, 04:22 AM
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Stuff like that is precisely the reason those two guys are up in that little office in the front of the jet -- to be able to handle weird situations. Pilots don't get paid for the mundane, everyday point A-to-B stuff; they get paid to get those passengers on the ground safely when things go wrong.
Not second guessing the decisionmaking by any means -- in fact, the decisionmaking by the crew appears to be very strong in this scenario from the information presented in the report.
I find it disappointing, though, that a pilot who has risen to the level that Mr Taylor was at in the industry is distressed to the point where he becomes diagnosed with PTSD over a close call. The Captain doesn't seem to be appearing on television and telling his story -- does he still have his medical and his job?
Have we bred the danger out of some types of flying so much that this is the result?
Not second guessing the decisionmaking by any means -- in fact, the decisionmaking by the crew appears to be very strong in this scenario from the information presented in the report.
I find it disappointing, though, that a pilot who has risen to the level that Mr Taylor was at in the industry is distressed to the point where he becomes diagnosed with PTSD over a close call. The Captain doesn't seem to be appearing on television and telling his story -- does he still have his medical and his job?
Have we bred the danger out of some types of flying so much that this is the result?
06-05-2010, 04:37 AM
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We don't know what other issues in the guy's background may have lead to this. Or if it's a well orchestrated attempt to extort money from UAL, et al.
Unlike a military pilot in a war zone, a transport category aircraft really shouldn't scare you too many times. Yes, the danger should be "bred" out.
Unlike a military pilot in a war zone, a transport category aircraft really shouldn't scare you too many times. Yes, the danger should be "bred" out.
06-05-2010, 05:36 PM
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Stolen from another site:
Talked to a friend who flies for UAL.. According to him, here's what happened. Cleared for 28R ILS at SFO, punched 28R into the FMS. What happened was this: FMS tuned to the 28R LDA freq. Happened twice, then they diverted to OAK. Now no one knows/will admit to which approach and freq were actually displayed and whether the pilots verified this. However, this anomaly was reproduced on the 747 sim.
Talked to a friend who flies for UAL.. According to him, here's what happened. Cleared for 28R ILS at SFO, punched 28R into the FMS. What happened was this: FMS tuned to the 28R LDA freq. Happened twice, then they diverted to OAK. Now no one knows/will admit to which approach and freq were actually displayed and whether the pilots verified this. However, this anomaly was reproduced on the 747 sim.
06-06-2010, 09:40 AM
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My point was, a pilot who has gotten to that point in his career should have had enough varied experience in different types of flying that he'd have all ready had numerous "oh sh*t!" moments.
It never diminishes how scary some events can be, but someone's ability to cope and go on is related to how often they're exposed to such events.
06-06-2010, 10:26 AM
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I'm talking about having bred the ability to cope with danger out of the pilots themselves, not the act of flying 'transport category aircraft'.
My point was, a pilot who has gotten to that point in his career should have had enough varied experience in different types of flying that he'd have all ready had numerous "oh sh*t!" moments.
It never diminishes how scary some events can be, but someone's ability to cope and go on is related to how often they're exposed to such events.
My point was, a pilot who has gotten to that point in his career should have had enough varied experience in different types of flying that he'd have all ready had numerous "oh sh*t!" moments.
It never diminishes how scary some events can be, but someone's ability to cope and go on is related to how often they're exposed to such events.
Maybe this pilot was "hanging on to tight..."!
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06-09-2010, 05:00 PM
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Anyone have anymore info about this. The link was sent to me by a colleague but a search on this site didn't turn up anything.
Video Library - cbs5.com
Old news. Already a thread on it in Hanger Talk:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ha...aims-ptsd.html
Video Library - cbs5.com
Old news. Already a thread on it in Hanger Talk:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ha...aims-ptsd.html
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 06-11-2010 at 03:11 AM.
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