Jet Blue Driver has a bad day
05-22-2010, 08:47 AM
#31
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Sorry but this is not an "event" to me. It serves as confirmation of opinions about a particular carrier and the yutes they have that decided to play airline pilot.
Take the Colgan crash, the Pinnacle "FL410 Club" and some other amazingly stupid things that have happened in the regionals. The puppy mills have produced some really bad pilots.
Many of the pilots working in the industry don't have any sense of what being an airline pilot is about. I have ridden in the back of RJ's that guys taxi and fly like they have stolen them. There is no airmanship or deft touch. I have sat on the jumpseat in a CRJ on a commute to work and watched a F/O fly right through the middle of an easily avoidable cumulus cloud that rocked the crap out the airplane. He turned and smiled and said; "that was fun, I want to find another one". With the quick upgrades and minimal experience they don't have anyone with any longevity in the Capt seat to lead by example.
Again, I am sorry if the truth hurts but the evidence supports the argument. Airline pilots did not lose respect in the eyes of the public. We have given it away with pilots using poor judgment. Be it showing up drunk to fly or going bat crazy when your told "she's just not that into you". It is time for pilots as a group to police our own. No more group hugs or coddling for the weak. Time to make the difficult choices to thin the herd. We need to lead by example and bring the fringe back to the fold. If they choose not to then get them to the PSC and reclaim what was surrendered.
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Take the Colgan crash, the Pinnacle "FL410 Club" and some other amazingly stupid things that have happened in the regionals. The puppy mills have produced some really bad pilots.
Many of the pilots working in the industry don't have any sense of what being an airline pilot is about. I have ridden in the back of RJ's that guys taxi and fly like they have stolen them. There is no airmanship or deft touch. I have sat on the jumpseat in a CRJ on a commute to work and watched a F/O fly right through the middle of an easily avoidable cumulus cloud that rocked the crap out the airplane. He turned and smiled and said; "that was fun, I want to find another one". With the quick upgrades and minimal experience they don't have anyone with any longevity in the Capt seat to lead by example.
Again, I am sorry if the truth hurts but the evidence supports the argument. Airline pilots did not lose respect in the eyes of the public. We have given it away with pilots using poor judgment. Be it showing up drunk to fly or going bat crazy when your told "she's just not that into you". It is time for pilots as a group to police our own. No more group hugs or coddling for the weak. Time to make the difficult choices to thin the herd. We need to lead by example and bring the fringe back to the fold. If they choose not to then get them to the PSC and reclaim what was surrendered.
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I'm glad that regionals are the only ones who screw things up
05-24-2010, 09:11 AM
#33
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I would not buy my life insurance premiums based on those stats. Here is what I find interesting in your charts, USAir had one of the greatest number of hull loses for a few years yet they are ranked average. Some of the other carriers had one hull loss, yet they were widebody a/c so that generates a higher rate. Let's see.....more crashes of smaller planes or one crash of a larger plane and the one crash rates as less safe carrier.
Sorry if I don't buy into your logic. How about hull loses per company? Pinnacle owned operations are pretty dangerous if you use that scale along with Fed Ex. Pilots that come through the Gulfstream puppy mill have had active roles, I believe, in most of the recent loss of life accidents in the US.
Sorry if I don't buy into your logic. How about hull loses per company? Pinnacle owned operations are pretty dangerous if you use that scale along with Fed Ex. Pilots that come through the Gulfstream puppy mill have had active roles, I believe, in most of the recent loss of life accidents in the US.
05-24-2010, 09:19 AM
#34
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I would not buy my life insurance premiums based on those stats. Here is what I find interesting in your charts, USAir had one of the greatest number of hull loses for a few years yet they are ranked average. Some of the other carriers had one hull loss, yet they were widebody a/c so that generates a higher rate. Let's see.....more crashes of smaller planes or one crash of a larger plane and the one crash rates as less safe carrier.
Sorry if I don't buy into your logic. How about hull loses per company? Pinnacle owned operations are pretty dangerous if you use that scale along with Fed Ex. Pilots that come through the Gulfstream puppy mill have had active roles, I believe, in most of the recent loss of life accidents in the US.
Sorry if I don't buy into your logic. How about hull loses per company? Pinnacle owned operations are pretty dangerous if you use that scale along with Fed Ex. Pilots that come through the Gulfstream puppy mill have had active roles, I believe, in most of the recent loss of life accidents in the US.
Wow us and find some that prove your point.
Why not show us how many passengers have been fatally injured in Pinnacle operations? That should be easy enough and reflect the quality of your beliefs. Then you could show us a comparison with your own very special airline. That might be fun.
Last edited by jungle; 05-24-2010 at 10:26 AM.
05-24-2010, 02:20 PM
#35
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Position: B777 Capt
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Why yes! Yes they do!
You can start here and comment as you see fit...FRONTLINE: flying cheap: watch the full program | PBS
Pretty fitting photo here: Photos: Saab 340B Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
For the Gulfstream Puppy Mill crowd: Pilots Warn of Safety Lapses at Regional Airlines - ProPublica
What's next? You want to deny the Holocaust too?
Again your stats from the chart you showed are a bit skewed. They tag AA and UA with "crashes" for the terrorist activity on 9/11. Doesn't seem like an apples/oranges comparison. I mean you imply that Pinnacle should not count the "410 CLUB, DUDE" guys since they were only ones on board to participate in that decision. You want "passengers" not hulls caused by crews.
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05-24-2010, 03:41 PM
#36
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Ok, so far we have weaklings, Jet Blue, FFDOs, over 60 guys, Colgan,Pinnacle, USair, FEDEX, Gulfstream, CRJ drivers, drunks, crazies, a really unique way to interpret statistics which ignores their defined parameters, and of course I am now a holocaust denier. Did I leave anyone out?
You win, I just can't fight the tide.
And yet somehow we managed to rack up the safest decade on record in the good old US of A. Amazing.
You win, I just can't fight the tide.
And yet somehow we managed to rack up the safest decade on record in the good old US of A. Amazing.
Last edited by jungle; 05-24-2010 at 03:56 PM.
05-24-2010, 05:02 PM
#37
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Position: B777 Capt
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Ok, so far we have weaklings, Jet Blue, FFDOs, over 60 guys, Colgan,Pinnacle, USair, FEDEX, Gulfstream, CRJ drivers, drunks, crazies, a really unique way to interpret statistics which ignores their defined parameters, and of course I am now a holocaust denier. Did I leave anyone out?
You win, I just can't fight the tide.
And yet somehow we managed to rack up the safest decade on record in the good old US of A. Amazing.
You win, I just can't fight the tide.
And yet somehow we managed to rack up the safest decade on record in the good old US of A. Amazing.
I am sure the families of those killed in the Colgan BUF crash are able to sleep well at night knowing that this was the safest decade in history.
Or those CMR LEX families are probably very relieved to know this as well!As long as you don't believe there is a problem, then I am sure one doesn't exist. How much did that type of "philosophy" class cost dear old dad at PMU- (Puppy Mill University)?
The similarities are ironic: Puppy Mill Dog Health Problems | eHow.com
05-24-2010, 05:08 PM
#38
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Simple mathematics often poses a problem for some of us. Have a nice day.
By the way, I was happy to see that your mom still gives serviceman's discounts.
By the way, I was happy to see that your mom still gives serviceman's discounts.
Last edited by jungle; 05-24-2010 at 06:03 PM.
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