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Old 05-07-2010, 04:44 PM
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A little about the book and the meaning of the phrase.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)

Clip, about six minutes, lots of B-25s:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYoe...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNnWw1YHGg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHCZe...eature=related

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A little about the book and the meaning of the phrase.
Who else could have played Yossarian?

When I checked out in the KC-135, I had a few engine shut downs in the first year. A copilot came up to me and said, "Remind me to never fly with you.. you're the guy with all the engine shut downs." Remember 'Crazy Joe' who practiced ditchings, I told him, "I'm THE guy you want to fly with. I have more time really shutting engines. The others have only done it in the sim." He thought about it for a minute and said, "HEY.. you're right!"
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Who else could have played Yossarian?

When I checked out in the KC-135, I had a few engine shut downs in the first year. A copilot came up to me and said, "Remind me to never fly with you.. you're the guy with all the engine shut downs." Remember 'Crazy Joe' who practiced ditchings, I told him, "I'm THE guy you want to fly with. I have more time really shutting engines. The others have only done it in the sim." He thought about it for a minute and said, "HEY.. you're right!"

I am of the belief that Heller's point of the Yossarian character, is in fact, the innate paradox within all of us!!

Joseph Heller = Crazy Joe
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I am of the belief that Heller's point of the Yossarian character, is in fact, the innate paradox within all of us!!

Joseph Heller = Crazy Joe
I think it is that the rules don't make any sense and are contradictory. And amid the contradictions, some figure out a way to not only survive but increase (ie Milo). Applicable today.
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This is really a very fine movie, they had to use something like 18 real B-25s in those days before computers. It has ten times more story than most films today. It was marketed as antiwar in 1970, but it is really anti-crazy.
Beautiful cinematography and dialogue.
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My dad bought one of those B-25's off the set after the movie for $4000 USD. He fixed it up and sold it about 10 years later for $55,000. The guy who bought it paid with a duffel bag full of cash. No kidding..

Not a bad ROI. I wonder what a solid in flying condition B-25 sells for today?

As a side note that B-25 wound up on it's back in shallow water after making a drug drop in the Bahamas several months after we sold it. Apparently the guy got to low at night and skipped off the water. That would have been in the early 80's.
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I've run into a couple of Milo Minderbinder types in my career.

"In chaos, there is profit"
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
My dad bought one of those B-25's off the set after the movie for $4000 USD. He fixed it up and sold it about 10 years later for $55,000. The guy who bought it paid with a duffel bag full of cash. No kidding..

Not a bad ROI. I wonder what a solid in flying condition B-25 sells for today?

As a side note that B-25 wound up on it's back in shallow water after making a drug drop in the Bahamas several months after we sold it. Apparently the guy got to low at night and skipped off the water. That would have been in the early 80's.
Those were heady days that peaked in the 80s. Lots of DC-3s, Beech 18s, Lockheed Electras(the twin engine piston electra), Howards, etc. There was a vast armada engaged in the trade before the US got a very tight grip on the airspace and shut down the flying circus.

B-25s are ten to twenty times more expensive now.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
My dad bought one of those B-25's off the set after the movie for $4000 USD. He fixed it up and sold it about 10 years later for $55,000. The guy who bought it paid with a duffel bag full of cash. No kidding..

Not a bad ROI. I wonder what a solid in flying condition B-25 sells for today?

As a side note that B-25 wound up on it's back in shallow water after making a drug drop in the Bahamas several months after we sold it. Apparently the guy got to low at night and skipped off the water. That would have been in the early 80's.
I get to occasionally fly one of the actual airplanes that was in the movie (unfortuately, it's not a B-25). The current issue of the North American Trainers Association magazine has a great article about making the movie from one of the two co-pilots that I know. They have some fascinating stories.
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I've run into a couple of Milo Minderbinder types in my career.

"In chaos, there is profit"
Milo is now in Washington.
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