Climategate Part Deux
04-27-2011, 03:55 PM
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N2264J is a shill for the greenies, he tries to make sense, but he can offer not a single practical solution, or a single forecast come true, or even define what part man may play in warming.
It is easy enough to criticize big oil, coal and nuclear-but the fact remains there are no viable options at this time.
The best solution to the "warming" problem right now would be to defund the UN and move their headquarters to Libya.
I don't think any scientist has stated that man is the SOLE cause of any climate change. If they do, they have just ignored the entire history of the Earth and its numerous cycles of warming and cooling along with higher and lower levels of CO2. All of this happened before man was on the scene and they will happen long after he is gone.
They only real questions are what part is caused by man, and are there any practical solutions. To ignore the very real natural cycles and causes is pure propoganda.
Lots of scientists think we could build a better human race through eugenics, and they may be right but few of us could stand the practical implications of such a policy. It is thus with most "solutions" posed for climate change, the "solutions" would necessarily pare the world population in a rather brutal manner-all with no real promise of success within a thousand years.
There are indeed a lot of cranks out there, and the easiest way to spot them is in the practicality of their approach to problems and the way they define a problem.
It is easy enough to criticize big oil, coal and nuclear-but the fact remains there are no viable options at this time.
The best solution to the "warming" problem right now would be to defund the UN and move their headquarters to Libya.
I don't think any scientist has stated that man is the SOLE cause of any climate change. If they do, they have just ignored the entire history of the Earth and its numerous cycles of warming and cooling along with higher and lower levels of CO2. All of this happened before man was on the scene and they will happen long after he is gone.
They only real questions are what part is caused by man, and are there any practical solutions. To ignore the very real natural cycles and causes is pure propoganda.
Lots of scientists think we could build a better human race through eugenics, and they may be right but few of us could stand the practical implications of such a policy. It is thus with most "solutions" posed for climate change, the "solutions" would necessarily pare the world population in a rather brutal manner-all with no real promise of success within a thousand years.
There are indeed a lot of cranks out there, and the easiest way to spot them is in the practicality of their approach to problems and the way they define a problem.
Thought I'd come back to the old neighborhood and see what the gang was up to. Same old stuff, it looks like.
Jungle, you've not managed to teach Mr Sandia any logic or econ in all this time?
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04-27-2011, 04:24 PM
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Perhaps others will find it instructive.
04-28-2011, 05:31 AM
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04-28-2011, 12:45 PM
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Still, a wager is a wager. I think I said it would be a carbon credit from the CCX. Alas, that demonstration of the market acuity of the central planners has gone the way of the term "global warming". Maybe something heavier, but not radioactive, would awaken the animal spirits in those pesky capitalists--molybdenum perhaps, or rubidium.
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04-29-2011, 01:13 PM
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I think Bob Schieffer is right on the money.
04-29-2011, 02:00 PM
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The excellent point made here is that when one party controls all the data and supporting documentation there can be no meaningful debate, you are only shadowboxing.
Just a little footnote here, this thread is not the place to bring up vagaries about birth certificates, even though the subject seems to be on the mind of many.
"Sulaco had found an inviolable sanctuary from the temptations of a trading world in the solemn hush of the deep Golfo Placido as if within an enormous semi-circular and unroofed temple open to the ocean, with its walls of lofty mountains hung with the mourning draperies of cloud.
On one side of this broad curve in the straight seaboard of the Republic of Costaguana, the last spur of the coast range forms an insignificant cape whose name is Punta Mala. From the middle of the gulf the point of the land itself is not visible at all; but the shoulder of a steep hill at the back can be made out faintly like a shadow on the sky. "
"There is no credulity so eager and blind as the credulity of covetousness, which, in its universal extent, measures the moral misery and the intellectual destitution of mankind. "
"Costaguana will always be run by butchers and tyrants." Joseph Conrad-Nostromo
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04-29-2011, 10:29 PM
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I'm going to need the reference on your water vapor example because I don't think that it "always leads to a tipping point." Water vapor isn't a one way street like carbon because water vapor also mitigates the warming phenomenon. Water vapor in the form of clouds, for example, reflect great deal of heat by shading the earth's surface. Heat is absorbed when water changes forms (solid, liquid, gas). All large bodies of water yield a huge evaporative cooling effect.
04-30-2011, 10:29 AM
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05-03-2011, 01:14 PM
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Re: Climategate Part Deux
The cover of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, for example, is shrinking faster than projected by the U.N. panel. The level of summer ice coverage has been at or near record lows every year since 2001, AMAP said, predicting that the Arctic Ocean will be nearly ice free in summer within 30-40 years.
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