Originally Posted by 3XLoser

I'm assuming that you haven't watched much Frontline, and that you haven't read A People's History of the United States (history from the loser's point of view, because not everyone gets to win)? Howard Zinn (RIP) didn't claim to tell the whole history; just the stories that you don't hear in a grade school snapshot of history.

I wouldn't worry about living in base, although I could imagine your commute eventually counted as duty time, or at least not as rest. I think the show should do a good job of educating the public. Tell everyone to watch it, and then you can tell them to switch right back to FoxNews if you really want to.

Originally Posted by EVpilot

Who do the majors hire from?

Originally Posted by EVpilot

Majors are killing their own growth with the blessing of their pilot groups. We aren't stealing scope. You guys keep giving it away! Our companies are providing your comanies with contract lift. So it is your company giving your jobs away that is the problem. Quit blaming us and look in the mirror for a change

Originally Posted by BoeingMyWay

Putting aside the old argument of military vs civilian, since the military guy/gal has historically gotten the job first, the most sought after "experience" that the majors want/require is "121 PIC Turbine Time". You don't get that flying corporate....part 91/135. Most "freight" jobs, obviously not talking the FedEx/UPS ones, also wouldn't qualify. The regionals are the only way to get that time, and a lot of it. At the end of a year's flying, the corporate pilot might have 400-500 hrs logged. Freight guys not much better....maybe even less. Regional pilots typically log 850+. More hours, 121 time, in an airline environment is the most desirable type of flying the majors want to see and you get that at the regionals....period! To say otherwise is nonsense.
Now, to claim that working for a regional is counter-productive to eventual employment at the majors due to the "transfer" of many mainline routes to the regionals.....well that's a whole other issue. The regional vs major battle was lost long ago. Back in the day, the "commuters" flying turboprop aircraft before the "RJ's" were born, were no threat to replacing mainline aircraft. They would, by design, always be limited by speed and distance and thus would never encroach on the "majors" turf. In the early 90's when the first of the "RJ'S" were coming on the scene, it should have been the first order of business to have that flying performed at the major level, at all costs!! Unfortunately, mainline pilots gave up the fight in exchange for better pay, work rules, retirements, etc.... Greed, complacency, and/or a total lack of any foresight, set in motion the scenario we have today. They then tried to stop the tsunami of "regional jets" with scope clauses that have been chipped away at by management at every new contract amendment or dissolved completely by bankruptcy judges in chapter 11 proceedings. The war was over before it began. I wish the "regional" flying was performed at the mainline level but it's not, nor will it ever be. Stop blaming the pilots at the regional level, as it truly was the fault of the mainline pilots many years ago who sold out for short term gains and created the mess our profession has deteriorated to today.

Originally Posted by FlyJSH

(Just out of curiosity, how often to you jumpseat on an evil, industry eroding, regional?)

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You have to learn how to say more with fewer words.

Now, all that blather above says nothing about the fact that YOU are killing your own future with a major by flying for slave wages at a regional. To think otherwise is pure delusion on your part.

If your goal is to build time for corporate, or to be competitive in the military, then you've made a wise choice. If your goal is to remain at a regional, then you've made a wise choice. If your goal is a major, you're not thinking.

Carl

Originally Posted by syd111

Don't know about Carl but I can say I have never used a regional's jumpseat even though I have a continous flow of regional jumpseaters come through my door every time I fly. It is an interesting subject that you bring up as many of the pilots that I fly with don't want them on the js anymore, of course from the pilots that don't commute none of them want the regionals on board. Just my 2 cents since you mention it.

Originally Posted by The Juice

Luckily I have always been treated fairly everytime I have j/s on a mainline carrier.

The day that we start creating major pilot vs regional pilot wars is another step back for the industry as a whole. What makes the j/s seat priviledge great is that it is for us, pilots. It does not matter if you are a 1900 FO or a 747 CA, it is one of the last things we have left in this profession.

The notion that mainline guys do not want regional guys on the j/s is shameful at best, I did not realize that everyone was hired into a Boeing from day one.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You have to learn how to say more with fewer words.

Now, all that blather above says nothing about the fact that YOU are killing your own future with a major by flying for slave wages at a regional. To think otherwise is pure delusion on your part.

If your goal is to build time for corporate, or to be competitive in the military, then you've made a wise choice. If your goal is to remain at a regional, then you've made a wise choice. If your goal is a major, you're not thinking.

Carl

Originally Posted by jayray

I don't really want to jump in the middle of this. However, I must ask, what are you suggesting people do who have the goal of working at a major? Working at a regional may be killing my chances at a shot at a major but I've got to think that quiting my regional job will lower my chances even more.

Originally Posted by BoeingMyWay

Well let's see. I worked several years in corporate, BEFORE going to the regionals. Being tied to a beeper just didn't cut it for me....not planning on going back. Then close to 10 years at a regional, where gross earnings the last 3 were over 6 figures....not exactly "slave" wages when your view is out the left side. Military....well 20/40 uncorrected vision ruled that out many years ago. Now, hanging on the bottom at a major but the future is looking a little brighter. Guess I made a Wise Choice!