Flying Cheap- A Special On PBS Feb. 9
01-31-2010, 10:58 AM
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01-31-2010, 11:27 AM
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Nobody is forcing them to work at these scumbag places, and yet the keep getting people to fly for them. Nothing will change until nobody interviews for jobs. Years ago, people worked these jobs with the expectation of eventually making it to a major and getting paid well. Those days are over. I don't know how much longer they'll be able to get people to work for these ridiculous wages, especially now that the FAA has made the job absolutely miserable with line checks and 709 rides and constant harassment because they feel they are not "Professional".
People work at these places because they need jobs.It is part of the relentless drive for everyone(except the top few percent) to make 10 dollars an hour. The unfortunate outcome will be the "wheels coming off" all of our society, but by the time John Galt and his faithful brethren realize that, it will be too late.
01-31-2010, 12:37 PM
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01-31-2010, 03:08 PM
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Wow! Just watched the video, and that Regional Airline Transport Executive reminded me of Joe Isuzu.
"There are many people in those communities that work for less than our pilots, and they are doing fine."
"There are many people in those communities that work for less than our pilots, and they are doing fine."
01-31-2010, 07:35 PM
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Just curious......... If ALPA wants to stop the whipsaw, why not stop hiring pilots out of the lower tier? Would it be possible for ALPA to create a list of companies that can be blocked from their pilots interviewing at the majors? And then publicize it.... For example: If you ever want to work at Legacy X do not ever work for A,B and C.
It seems to me that this is no more unreasonable than asking some CFI to not take a 121 job for whatever reason. It is a catch 22. Don't take the crappy regional job to protect the better jobs that you will be unqualified for if you don't take the regional job. He/She knows that they will never go from the local FBO to the legacy carrier without the required stepping stone.
Or even better, stop hiring from regionals altogether. Let it be known that a check hauler, 135, corporate guy will get in much sooner than a regional guy and I think you will see people shift in that direction. For years the preferred route has been the military, but they only train so many. The largest supplier of pilots nowadays is the regionals. Change this dynamic.
These are only random thoughts. What strikes me is that we always ask someone else to clean up this mess. This doesn't require the cooperation of anyone outside ALPA. I don't know about any legal questions. The idea here is "How many pilots would go to the regionals if they were pretty much assured that they could not move on?" I think very few. This entire market lives on the promise of a better job later.
It seems to me that this is no more unreasonable than asking some CFI to not take a 121 job for whatever reason. It is a catch 22. Don't take the crappy regional job to protect the better jobs that you will be unqualified for if you don't take the regional job. He/She knows that they will never go from the local FBO to the legacy carrier without the required stepping stone.
Or even better, stop hiring from regionals altogether. Let it be known that a check hauler, 135, corporate guy will get in much sooner than a regional guy and I think you will see people shift in that direction. For years the preferred route has been the military, but they only train so many. The largest supplier of pilots nowadays is the regionals. Change this dynamic.
These are only random thoughts. What strikes me is that we always ask someone else to clean up this mess. This doesn't require the cooperation of anyone outside ALPA. I don't know about any legal questions. The idea here is "How many pilots would go to the regionals if they were pretty much assured that they could not move on?" I think very few. This entire market lives on the promise of a better job later.
01-31-2010, 07:55 PM
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Just curious......... If ALPA wants to stop the whipsaw, why not stop hiring pilots out of the lower tier? Would it be possible for ALPA to create a list of companies that can be blocked from their pilots interviewing at the majors? And then publicize it.... For example: If you ever want to work at Legacy X do not ever work for A,B and C.
It seems to me that this is no more unreasonable than asking some CFI to not take a 121 job for whatever reason. It is a catch 22. Don't take the crappy regional job to protect the better jobs that you will be unqualified for if you don't take the regional job. He/She knows that they will never go from the local FBO to the legacy carrier without the required stepping stone.
Or even better, stop hiring from regionals altogether. Let it be known that a check hauler, 135, corporate guy will get in much sooner than a regional guy and I think you will see people shift in that direction. For years the preferred route has been the military, but they only train so many. The largest supplier of pilots nowadays is the regionals. Change this dynamic.
These are only random thoughts. What strikes me is that we always ask someone else to clean up this mess. This doesn't require the cooperation of anyone outside ALPA. I don't know about any legal questions. The idea here is "How many pilots would go to the regionals if they were pretty much assured that they could not move on?" I think very few. This entire market lives on the promise of a better job later.
It seems to me that this is no more unreasonable than asking some CFI to not take a 121 job for whatever reason. It is a catch 22. Don't take the crappy regional job to protect the better jobs that you will be unqualified for if you don't take the regional job. He/She knows that they will never go from the local FBO to the legacy carrier without the required stepping stone.
Or even better, stop hiring from regionals altogether. Let it be known that a check hauler, 135, corporate guy will get in much sooner than a regional guy and I think you will see people shift in that direction. For years the preferred route has been the military, but they only train so many. The largest supplier of pilots nowadays is the regionals. Change this dynamic.
These are only random thoughts. What strikes me is that we always ask someone else to clean up this mess. This doesn't require the cooperation of anyone outside ALPA. I don't know about any legal questions. The idea here is "How many pilots would go to the regionals if they were pretty much assured that they could not move on?" I think very few. This entire market lives on the promise of a better job later.
There is simply no way to produce a policy that keeps people from doing the wrong thing. And taking a slave wage job that also undermines your attempt to ever get to a major, is always wrong.
Carl
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