JoeyMeatballs

unreal.............who had the opportunity to fly these at mainline YEARS ago and shifted them off to the regional?

Carl Spackler

Who had the opportunity to say no to slave wages, and fly many other better paying options? Who chose NOT to fly those better paying options while still hoping to join a major someday? You know, the very majors who are not growing due to the growth of the regionals?

Carl

jonnyjetprop

Keep in mind that many of those jobs are gone because of changes in banking regulations and the auto industry.

jonnyjetprop

Not true. It's just the way ALPA was setup. The teamsters represent several carriers.

Carl Spackler

Incorrect. Not only are these jobs still here, but foreign carriers are hiring experienced F/O's into the widebody fleet.

Carl

jonnyjetprop

Take at trip to the FAR 135 threads and I think that you'll see that my statement is correct. Check 21 has eliminated most of the federal reserve runs that the Lear Jet operators flew. The YIP crowd is far less busy now and may or may not recover as the economy does. It's true that the furloughed are looking overseas, but there are very few openings in the US at any level.

aewanabe

Sorry Carl, I love most of your posts but you are patently wrong here. I flew some of the cargo roach jobs and they're just not around anymore. My last check hauling company had a peak pilot group of 120 and is down to 10 now. Ditto for the on-demand auto haulers. Wanna fly overseas? For the most part better be typed on the equipment with some substantial time in type. EJet pilots need not apply as it does not meet the GW requirements for the better companies. Right seat in some small guy's King Air or Citation? You bet, go to CAE, pop out 7-10K for your own SIC training and I'll pay ya 25K per year for the privilege, son.

Trust me, I fly a small narrowbody that happens to be built by Brazilians and I'm terrified of further outsourcing. But instead of preaching from the top of the hill to these guys about taking down the industry, how about fixing our own houses and getting that flying on our lists where it belongs? In the not-too-distant past part of your former co. flew Convair 580s all the way up to 757s. Get that stuff back on the property where it belongs.

LuvJockey

I think that the easiest cure would be to pass the congressional proposal that no codeshare airline would be made to look like another mainline operator. Regionals have made their money by making their uniforms and paint jobs look like Continental, United, Delta, and Northwest. If a passenger buys a ticket on Continental and finds him/herself on a turboprop that says "Generic Air" and pilots that aren't masquerading as Continental pilots, they'll look closer at their ticket purchase next time.

I'm sure I've offended somebody. I am not berating regional pilots, I am only saying that there wouldn't be any cost advantage for the majors if they weren't allowed to slap their name and uniforms on lower cost labor. Most people that have friends and relatives that are in the business don't even mention a regional airline name, they just say "I have a nephew/neice that works as a pilot/flight attendant for Delta/Continental/United." You ask a couple of more questions, and they say "I think it's a subsidiary. I don't know the name of the company." If your relatives don't know who you work for, I can promise you that the general public doesn't either.

The whole "size of the jet" argument isn't really that important, the branding and misdirection is. That's why Republic wanted so badly to buy Midwest and Frontier - positive brand names, slap some paint on an aircraft and some different uniforms on your labor....voila.

bcrosier

And Conan O'Brian used to tell jokes.

Is Pielut actually Roger Cohen? I watched the 10 minute preview on PBS' website - it looked pretty accurate to me.

What's the matter Roger - watched the interview and realized that you and your organization are lying tools and you looked like an idiot?

I'll reserve final judgment until I see the whole thing, but based on the preview we should be pushing people to watch this.

pipe

Touche Fishfreighter - a strong observation. A bunch of the Glenn Beck sympathizers on here could do yourselves a favor - go to the library (big old-looking building full of books) or even download to your Kindle or iPhone a copy of "The Jungle" for free and then have someone read it to you. It really might help you with your self-loathing about your union membership.

PIPE