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07-13-2009, 07:05 PM
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Fair enough. I'm just looking for the radio protocol/sequence for the tower and pilot's exchange prior to taxi/takeoff (not even sure where the conversation occurs).
As Barbara taxied to the only runway San Diego International boasted, she began to doubt the plan. 7 possible failures seemed like a lot, and she was losing confidence that there would be exactly seven, and no more.
Tower - "Two charlie echo, runway 27 taxi into position and hold".
She lined up the nose of the King Air 350 with the runway centreline, she said, as calmly as she could,"Two charlie echo, position and hold", (a turbine powered airplane is assumed to be ready).
"Two Charlie Echo, you're cleared for takeoff," the air traffic controller came back.
"Cleared for T/O, two charlie echo"
"" Barbara smoothly pushed the throttles up, and the Pratt & Whitney engines spun the Hartzell propellors madly, whipping the still night air into a frenzy. G-forces pushed Barbara and her co-pilot, Jim Wallis, along with their six passengers into their seats as the turboprop raced down the runway to its 115 knot takeoff speed.
Don't push em to the "stops" unless in an emergency.
So...that exchange is the piece I need help with. Any suggestions? I really know nothing and have simply made it up! Thanks!
BA
As Barbara taxied to the only runway San Diego International boasted, she began to doubt the plan. 7 possible failures seemed like a lot, and she was losing confidence that there would be exactly seven, and no more.
Tower - "Two charlie echo, runway 27 taxi into position and hold".
She lined up the nose of the King Air 350 with the runway centreline, she said, as calmly as she could,"Two charlie echo, position and hold", (a turbine powered airplane is assumed to be ready).
"Two Charlie Echo, you're cleared for takeoff," the air traffic controller came back.
"Cleared for T/O, two charlie echo"
"" Barbara smoothly pushed the throttles up, and the Pratt & Whitney engines spun the Hartzell propellors madly, whipping the still night air into a frenzy. G-forces pushed Barbara and her co-pilot, Jim Wallis, along with their six passengers into their seats as the turboprop raced down the runway to its 115 knot takeoff speed.
Don't push em to the "stops" unless in an emergency.
So...that exchange is the piece I need help with. Any suggestions? I really know nothing and have simply made it up! Thanks!
BA
Last edited by chuckyt1; 07-13-2009 at 07:44 PM.
07-13-2009, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by buddingauthor 
Fair enough. I'm just looking for the radio protocol/sequence for the tower and pilot's exchange prior to taxi/takeoff (not even sure where the conversation occurs).
As Barbara taxied to the sole runway of San Diego International, she began to doubt the plan. Seven possible failures seemed too numerous, and she was losing confidence there would be no more.
Holding short of runway 27, She waited to line up the King Air 350 on the centerline, and radioed the tower. "November Niner Zero Two Charlie Echo ready for takeoff," she said, as calmly as she could.
"Two Charlie Echo, you're cleared for takeoff," the air traffic controller came back.
"Two Charlie Echo cleared for takeoff!" Barbara smoothly rolled onto the runway and pushed the throttles to full power, and the Pratt & Whitney engines spun the Hartzell propellors to a crisp howl. The acceleration pushed Barbara and her co-pilot, Jim Wallis, along with their six passengers into their seats as the turboprop raced down the runway. At 115 knots Barbra gently pulled back on the control yolk and as the plane rotated skyward she couldnt help but wonder if this plan was going to really work.
So...that exchange is the piece I need help with. Any suggestions? I really know nothing and have simply made it up! Thanks!
BA
Just my 2 cents.
fbp
Fair enough. I'm just looking for the radio protocol/sequence for the tower and pilot's exchange prior to taxi/takeoff (not even sure where the conversation occurs).
As Barbara taxied to the sole runway of San Diego International, she began to doubt the plan. Seven possible failures seemed too numerous, and she was losing confidence there would be no more.
Holding short of runway 27, She waited to line up the King Air 350 on the centerline, and radioed the tower. "November Niner Zero Two Charlie Echo ready for takeoff," she said, as calmly as she could.
"Two Charlie Echo, you're cleared for takeoff," the air traffic controller came back.
"Two Charlie Echo cleared for takeoff!" Barbara smoothly rolled onto the runway and pushed the throttles to full power, and the Pratt & Whitney engines spun the Hartzell propellors to a crisp howl. The acceleration pushed Barbara and her co-pilot, Jim Wallis, along with their six passengers into their seats as the turboprop raced down the runway. At 115 knots Barbra gently pulled back on the control yolk and as the plane rotated skyward she couldnt help but wonder if this plan was going to really work.
So...that exchange is the piece I need help with. Any suggestions? I really know nothing and have simply made it up! Thanks!
BA
Just my 2 cents.
fbp
07-13-2009, 07:29 PM
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Wow.
Thanks so much folks. This is simply my first draft, so as the book progresses, I fully expect my "voice" to come through, but for now, I'm just slogging through, attempting in earnest to write an accurate book. I've read books before that had glaring incongruities or just plain ignorance of a topic, and it bothers me, so I refuse to be that author.
This is such a small part of the book, but it sets the stage, and is, essentially, part of the hook at the beginning of the novel, so I have to have it be accurate, or I'll lose readers. I really do appreciate the input!
BA
Thanks so much folks. This is simply my first draft, so as the book progresses, I fully expect my "voice" to come through, but for now, I'm just slogging through, attempting in earnest to write an accurate book. I've read books before that had glaring incongruities or just plain ignorance of a topic, and it bothers me, so I refuse to be that author.
This is such a small part of the book, but it sets the stage, and is, essentially, part of the hook at the beginning of the novel, so I have to have it be accurate, or I'll lose readers. I really do appreciate the input!
BA
07-13-2009, 07:43 PM
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"Two Charlie Echo cleared for takeoff!" Barbara smoothly rolled onto the runway and pushed the throttles to full power, and the Pratt & Whitney engines spun the Hartzell propellors to a crisp howl. The acceleration pushed Barbara and her co-pilot, Jim Wallis, along with their six passengers into their seats as the turboprop raced down the runway. At 115 knots Barbra gently pulled back on the control yolk and as the plane rotated skyward she couldnt help but wonder if this plan was going to really work.
07-13-2009, 07:55 PM
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Okay, now I'm wondering something new...would a plane that left its flight plan be noticed? At what point?
I'm thinking that potentially, there could be up to five hours of flight on autopilot, so if she filed a flight plan that took her to, say...somewhere 1800 nm from San Diego...Vancouver?...at what point would "they" notice she hadn't followed the flight plan, and the plane was "stuck" on autopilot? Maybe writing something so critical to the novel that I know nothing about is foolish...but it's such a small part, but so important!! Ack!
Thanks for the input!
BA
I'm thinking that potentially, there could be up to five hours of flight on autopilot, so if she filed a flight plan that took her to, say...somewhere 1800 nm from San Diego...Vancouver?...at what point would "they" notice she hadn't followed the flight plan, and the plane was "stuck" on autopilot? Maybe writing something so critical to the novel that I know nothing about is foolish...but it's such a small part, but so important!! Ack!
Thanks for the input!
BA
07-13-2009, 08:15 PM
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Okay, now I'm wondering something new...would a plane that left its flight plan be noticed? At what point?
I'm thinking that potentially, there could be up to five hours of flight on autopilot, so if she filed a flight plan that took her to, say...somewhere 1800 nm from San Diego...Vancouver?...at what point would "they" notice she hadn't followed the flight plan, and the plane was "stuck" on autopilot? Maybe writing something so critical to the novel that I know nothing about is foolish...but it's such a small part, but so important!! Ack!
Thanks for the input!
BA
I'm thinking that potentially, there could be up to five hours of flight on autopilot, so if she filed a flight plan that took her to, say...somewhere 1800 nm from San Diego...Vancouver?...at what point would "they" notice she hadn't followed the flight plan, and the plane was "stuck" on autopilot? Maybe writing something so critical to the novel that I know nothing about is foolish...but it's such a small part, but so important!! Ack!
Thanks for the input!
BA
A VFR airplane would probably not be noticed because there is no requirement that you even file a flight plan or transmit a discrete beacon code (code 1200 is the generic VFR squawk) If you do file a VFR plan you do not actually have to stick with it or even talk to ATC enroute (except for special circumstances like border crossings). However, it is common for VFR airplanes to voluntarily participate in the ATC system by obtaining "VFR Flight Following". In this case they would be tracking your progress, talking to you, and would notice if something changed.
07-13-2009, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
An aircraft on an IFR plan would be noticed the moment it deviated from it's assigned route/altitude (except in a few remote areas with no radar coverage).
A VFR airplane...
A VFR airplane...
Originally Posted by rickair7777
no requirement that you even file a flight plan or transmit a discrete beacon code (code 1200 is the generic VFR squawk) If you do file a VFR plan you do not actually have to stick with it or even talk to ATC enroute (except for special circumstances like border crossings).
I warned you, I'm making this up as I go along - I have no idea what I'm talking about!!
07-13-2009, 08:25 PM
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07-13-2009, 08:29 PM
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