USER FEES Is the President for real
05-08-2009, 09:20 AM
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USER FEES Is the President for real
AOPA Online: President's budget keeps user fees in sight for 2011
When is someone going to tell Government that this is a Bad Idea
When is someone going to tell Government that this is a Bad Idea
05-08-2009, 01:46 PM
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Aviation as we know it will be in HUGE trouble should user fee's be approved. It is paramount to the future of this industry that we fight user fees as agressivley as possible. I realize alot of professional pilots simply dont care, but this is something that we seriously need to care about!
We all came from general aviation (including military), thats how we got to where we are now. We must protect it.
User fee's will make the already absurd price of flight training out of reach for most. The cost of an instrument rating will skyrocket if you have to pay everytime you need ATC assistance. Some estimates say that the cost to get your IFR ticket could rise to as high as $15,000 if user fee's get approved. Not to mention aviation will become very unsafe, because people will continue VFR into Instrument conditions because they do not want to pay an extra several hundred dollars for ATC assistance.
If this administration allows user fee's to get approved, it will be a very sad day for this country.
We all came from general aviation (including military), thats how we got to where we are now. We must protect it.
User fee's will make the already absurd price of flight training out of reach for most. The cost of an instrument rating will skyrocket if you have to pay everytime you need ATC assistance. Some estimates say that the cost to get your IFR ticket could rise to as high as $15,000 if user fee's get approved. Not to mention aviation will become very unsafe, because people will continue VFR into Instrument conditions because they do not want to pay an extra several hundred dollars for ATC assistance.
If this administration allows user fee's to get approved, it will be a very sad day for this country.
05-09-2009, 08:47 AM
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MOD INPUT: Folks, this is a very relevant and important topic, but please keep the conversation directed to the issue at hand and not devolve into political jabs.
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05-09-2009, 11:07 AM
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Not trying to go there rick with the politics I am just amazed that we dont have enough people who dont see this a a potential long term problem to ALL of aviation I am doing my part by writing my congress and senate rep and let them know how destructive this is if allowed to go unchecked..
05-09-2009, 11:07 AM
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Nuts and Bolts (The Devil is in the Details)
This has been kicked around for some time; maybe as long as 4 years. I hope it can be defeated...and yes, we should all contact our representatives regarding this.
Trying to fix the Federal fiscal mess by destroying an entire industry is not the way to do it.
The big questions: what do you pay for, and how is it proportioned?
Are they proposing a fee per flight? If so, the airlines love this one--there are far more GA movements per day than airline...which means the bulk of the Fees goes to GA.
AOPA says it should be based on the number of people per movement....which means the airlines would pay the bulk of it.
Would the military have to pay their share? Based on people, movements, MGTOW, or number of missiles carried?
Is it only going to be for IFR flights, or any flight? If you don't file a flight plan, don't squawk, takeoff and land from uncontrolled airfields, and never use the radio, does that make it free? If so, there will be more accidents from midairs (TCAS less likely to help), and when airplanes are lost and overdue, no one will know where to look for them.
Will there be an annual registration fee for airplanes, like your car? Will you have to pay to renew your FAA certificates, or to upgrade? Have to use a credit-card to call Flight Service ("....A division of Lockheed Corporatation. Say the name of the state....").
And how much would the fees be?
Ironically, I was just thinking over the last week about getting an airplane to commute to work, due to a potential job-change. It would already be expensive, but I could almost justify it for the increased time at home.
This gives me pause.
If anyone knows the answers to these questions, let us know.
Trying to fix the Federal fiscal mess by destroying an entire industry is not the way to do it.
The big questions: what do you pay for, and how is it proportioned?
Are they proposing a fee per flight? If so, the airlines love this one--there are far more GA movements per day than airline...which means the bulk of the Fees goes to GA.
AOPA says it should be based on the number of people per movement....which means the airlines would pay the bulk of it.
Would the military have to pay their share? Based on people, movements, MGTOW, or number of missiles carried?
Is it only going to be for IFR flights, or any flight? If you don't file a flight plan, don't squawk, takeoff and land from uncontrolled airfields, and never use the radio, does that make it free? If so, there will be more accidents from midairs (TCAS less likely to help), and when airplanes are lost and overdue, no one will know where to look for them.
Will there be an annual registration fee for airplanes, like your car? Will you have to pay to renew your FAA certificates, or to upgrade? Have to use a credit-card to call Flight Service ("....A division of Lockheed Corporatation. Say the name of the state....").
And how much would the fees be?
Ironically, I was just thinking over the last week about getting an airplane to commute to work, due to a potential job-change. It would already be expensive, but I could almost justify it for the increased time at home.
This gives me pause.
If anyone knows the answers to these questions, let us know.
05-09-2009, 11:14 AM
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This has been kicked around for some time; maybe as long as 4 years. I hope it can be defeated...and yes, we should all contact our representatives regarding this.
Trying to fix the Federal fiscal mess by destroying an entire industry is not the way to do it.
The big questions: what do you pay for, and how is it proportioned?
Are they proposing a fee per flight? If so, the airlines love this one--there are far more GA movements per day than airline...which means the bulk of the Fees goes to GA.
AOPA says it should be based on the number of people per movement....which means the airlines would pay the bulk of it.
Would the military have to pay their share? Based on people, movements, MGTOW, or number of missiles carried?
Is it only going to be for IFR flights, or any flight? If you don't file a flight plan, don't squawk, takeoff and land from uncontrolled airfields, and never use the radio, does that make it free? If so, there will be more accidents from midairs (TCAS less likely to help), and when airplanes are lost and overdue, no one will know where to look for them.
Will there be an annual registration fee for airplanes, like your car? Will you have to pay to renew your FAA certificates, or to upgrade? Have to use a credit-card to call Flight Service ("....A division of Lockheed Corporatation. Say the name of the state....").
And how much would the fees be?
Ironically, I was just thinking over the last week about getting an airplane to commute to work, due to a potential job-change. It would already be expensive, but I could almost justify it for the increased time at home.
This gives me pause.
If anyone knows the answers to these questions, let us know.
Trying to fix the Federal fiscal mess by destroying an entire industry is not the way to do it.
The big questions: what do you pay for, and how is it proportioned?
Are they proposing a fee per flight? If so, the airlines love this one--there are far more GA movements per day than airline...which means the bulk of the Fees goes to GA.
AOPA says it should be based on the number of people per movement....which means the airlines would pay the bulk of it.
Would the military have to pay their share? Based on people, movements, MGTOW, or number of missiles carried?
Is it only going to be for IFR flights, or any flight? If you don't file a flight plan, don't squawk, takeoff and land from uncontrolled airfields, and never use the radio, does that make it free? If so, there will be more accidents from midairs (TCAS less likely to help), and when airplanes are lost and overdue, no one will know where to look for them.
Will there be an annual registration fee for airplanes, like your car? Will you have to pay to renew your FAA certificates, or to upgrade? Have to use a credit-card to call Flight Service ("....A division of Lockheed Corporatation. Say the name of the state....").
And how much would the fees be?
Ironically, I was just thinking over the last week about getting an airplane to commute to work, due to a potential job-change. It would already be expensive, but I could almost justify it for the increased time at home.
This gives me pause.
If anyone knows the answers to these questions, let us know.
Just about everything you just said makes my Blood BOIL to think about what could happen Like I said I dont know why more people are not talking about this, I have nothing against the present administration but this is the reason we need checks and balances in our government
05-09-2009, 11:14 AM
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Many of the things I've read dealt with per-departure fees either for IFR flights, or for turbines/ GTOW 12,500#+.... But believe me, since the public sees any pilot as a "rich playboy" we're squarely in the cross hairs.
I'm going to sit out in the sun and watch my ramen noodles hydrate since I can't afford the electricity to cook 'em.
I'm going to sit out in the sun and watch my ramen noodles hydrate since I can't afford the electricity to cook 'em.
05-09-2009, 11:17 AM
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Many of the things I've read dealt with per-departure fees either for IFR flights, or for turbines/ GTOW 12,500#+.... But believe me, since the public sees any pilot as a "rich playboy" we're squarely in the cross hairs.
I'm going to sit out in the sun and watch my ramen noodles hydrate since I can't afford the electricity to cook 'em.
I'm going to sit out in the sun and watch my ramen noodles hydrate since I can't afford the electricity to cook 'em.
05-09-2009, 11:21 AM
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Breaking Solar Wind
(Although, I guess it means you have a coal-powered computer...in order to post this blog. Shame, shame, you are warming the planet....to hydrate your noodles!!)
05-09-2009, 11:31 AM
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if user fees come about, youll only see more ga aircraft flying without squawking and coming in and out of uncontrolled dirt or grass strips.
not only is that lost revenue but it becomes a safety of flight concern.
not only is that lost revenue but it becomes a safety of flight concern.
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